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24 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

I wasn’t there but interesting reading the accounts , and carefully worded versions of some , it appears to me pretty clear what happened

The fans have been held and ‘filtered’ (Pushing at least  if not breaking legality) so the Met can try and grab hold of any of those they believed or identified as being involved in the disorder in Bermondsey before the game

 

 

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JulieH

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1 hour ago, daored said:

So your now saying there WAS a police operation in London Bridge?   How many times does your version of events have to change every time somebody questions the police operation on here?

No as said the escort was in Bermondsey and my original reply said there was a police operation where fans were attempted to be identified as they could continue to pose a risk to disorder.

my version of events had not changed. 

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TETBURY MASSIVE

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On 09/04/2018 at 19:09, JulieH said:

I can confirm we were not peed off after the game as you so beautifully put it.

we also did not kettle fans at London Bridge . 

There were large police numbers there to prevent any further disorder , fans could go where they wanted and were not controlled in any kettle arrangement after the game 

 

1 hour ago, daored said:

So your now saying there WAS a police operation in London Bridge?   How many times does your version of events have to change every time somebody questions the police operation on here?

Sorry @daored you have read that wrong...... JulieH said it didn't happen..... as you can see above..... surely you don't think that an officer of the law would change not tell the truth or change their statement after knowing the 'truth....

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TETBURY MASSIVE

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On 09/04/2018 at 19:09, JulieH said:

I can confirm we were not peed off after the game as you so beautifully put it.

we also did not kettle fans at London Bridge . 

There were large police numbers there to prevent any further disorder , fans could go where they wanted and were not controlled in any kettle arrangement after the game 

 

On 10/04/2018 at 11:33, JulieH said:

This is exactly what happened.

i have spoken to the Bristol police officer who was there and there was some filtering of those persons who had been involved in the disorder st millwall . This was to ensure no furtherdisorder occurred and the correct policing numbers were allocated to the correct persons to ensure this remained the case.

There was no kettling by police other than this which lasted no more than a few minutes 

we are both on duty tonight at Birmingham game so can answer any further questions then @TETBURY MASSIVE 

resident policeoman not lying .

 

2 hours ago, JulieH said:

Yes there was a police escort in Bermondsey of a group of 60/70 Bristol city fans. Police horses and dogs were used in this escort. Also numerous police officers 

there is an ongoing investigation into events before this game in Bermondsey so it is difficult at this stage for me to say more but as already stated the policing at London Bridge was to ensure the safety of other fans and to identify those that would cause a risk to disorder. In time I will be able to expand more 

 

6 minutes ago, JulieH said:

No as said the escort was in Bermondsey and my original reply said there was a police operation where fans were attempted to be identified as they could continue to pose a risk to disorder.

my version of events had not changed. 

Is this a true and correct statement?

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LondonBristolian

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40 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

TBH, it may be crossed wires that one.

@LondonBristolian - though they I'm sure will correct me if wrong- I think was referring to a past trip to Millwall where there was no police escort.

That's my reading of it anyway.

Yep - that's right. I just went to South Bermondsey and got the train to London Bridge this time...

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41 minutes ago, TETBURY MASSIVE said:

 

 

 

Is this a true and correct statement?

You should be a Detective Tetbury.....very clever work there sir.....or you'd get work as a lie detector. "Yeah but no but."...Well done.:clap:

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JulieH

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1 hour ago, TETBURY MASSIVE said:

 

Sorry @daored you have read that wrong...... JulieH said it didn't happen..... as you can see above..... surely you don't think that an officer of the law would change not tell the truth or change their statement after knowing the 'truth....

There is a difference between a police operation and kettling..

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1 hour ago, JulieH said:

No as said the escort was in Bermondsey and my original reply said there was a police operation where fans were attempted to be identified as they could continue to pose a risk to disorder.

my version of events had not changed. 

 

1 hour ago, TETBURY MASSIVE said:

 

Sorry @daored you have read that wrong...... JulieH said it didn't happen..... as you can see above..... surely you don't think that an officer of the law would change not tell the truth or change their statement after knowing the 'truth....

I’m sorry @JulieH but people on here have said they were not able to leave London Bridge by the police. I understand it may have been to identify ‘fans’ who may have been caught up in disorder, but by the actions taken all fans are caught up in an identity parade.

There is no other activity in this country where the majority are penalised for the minority. If I go shopping tomorrow and there is a theft does the shop close its doors and refuse to let anyone out, whilst identifying the culprit? In effect that is what your saying happened to any Bristol City fan that day.

On a separate incident, I assume you have statements from both sets of fans requesting action to be taken, because earlier this season your employers decided to take no action against one of their own due to their being no complaint raised by the fan being hit by a police officer. Isn’t it funny how happy to use CCTV / video images when it suits!

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52 minutes ago, daored said:

@JulieH please could you explain the difference

Yes I will . I will try and get the definition of kettling for you all and then explain again what the police did to ensure there were no further outbreaks of disorder.

however I fear that whatever I say it will be dismissed , I am back in work tomorrow for the hull game so will look up the definition as per the legislation and post it here 

 

for those that wish to speak Face-to face to discuss I am working tomorrow’s game and will be in or around the coffee shop from 12,. Feel free to approach me .

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12 minutes ago, JulieH said:

Yes I will . I will try and get the definition of kettling for you all and then explain again what the police did to ensure there were no further outbreaks of disorder.

however I fear that whatever I say it will be dismissed , I am back in work tomorrow for the hull game so will look up the definition as per the legislation and post it here 

 

for those that wish to speak Face-to face to discuss I am working tomorrow’s game and will be in or around the coffee shop from 12,. Feel free to approach me .

Ask the kettle in the coffee shop

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15 minutes ago, JulieH said:

Yes I will . I will try and get the definition of kettling for you all and then explain again what the police did to ensure there were no further outbreaks of disorder.

however I fear that whatever I say it will be dismissed , I am back in work tomorrow for the hull game so will look up the definition as per the legislation and post it here 

 

for those that wish to speak Face-to face to discuss I am working tomorrow’s game and will be in or around the coffee shop from 12,. Feel free to approach me .

@JulieH, I feel your input is valued and adds a lot to this forum. However, I hope you appreciate as a supporter of a football club with no criminal record and never involved in football violence, it is frustrating how treated.

My point is no other ‘social ‘ activity is treated this way. I’ll buy you a coffee tomorrow officer. Are the police bringing the kettle !!!!

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1 minute ago, daored said:

@JulieH, I feel your input is valued and adds a lot to this forum. However, I hope you appreciate as a supporter of a football club with no criminal record and never involved in football violence, it is frustrating how treated.

My point is no other ‘social ‘ activity is treated this way. I’ll buy you a coffee tomorrow officer. Are the police bringing the kettle !!!!

That is actually very funny! 

I look forward to meeting you and hopefully speak and get your views on how we can change this perception from fans like yourselves .

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2 hours ago, TETBURY MASSIVE said:

@JulieH I see you choose to ignore the 'evidence' of you changing your version of events.

Are you sticking by your statement that you haven't changed your version of events?

Her lack of response answers your question Detective. Guilty as charged.

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14 hours ago, KevP said:

Her lack of response answers your question Detective. Guilty as charged.

Do you mean @JulieH is ignoring the facts And she has been caught out?

14 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Kettling (also known as containment or corralling) is a police tactic for controlling large crowds during demonstrations or protests. It involves the formation of large cordons of police officers who then move to contain a crowd within a limited area.

It didn't happen BBSB.... Julie H said it didn't happen and all the people are lying when they said it did as her source is 100% correct even tho she wasn't there.... 

 

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Mr Popodopolous

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Maybe I missed the operation, kettling or whatever it was..

Still though, when me and mates got to station we avoided going to London Bridge post game, managed to go to Shoreditch- possibly we left the ground slowly and missed the bulk of the operation. Or got lucky.

Can't say I recognise the descriptions of events though. :dunno:

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37 minutes ago, TETBURY MASSIVE said:

Do you mean @JulieH is ignoring the facts And she has been caught out?

It didn't happen BBSB.... Julie H said it didn't happen and all the people are lying when they said it did as her source is 100% correct even tho she wasn't there.... 

 

Has she ever considered that her “sources” are corrupt and untruthful? Oh no, that cant be true!

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TETBURY MASSIVE

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15 hours ago, JulieH said:

I have inserted the Wikipedia definition of kettling.

 

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@JulieH you are an embarrassment to policing.... 

You have been shown up, proved wrong, proved to have changed your story and the best you have come up with is a 'Wikipedia' page to try and justify your response. Completely shocking. 

Still... you do a good job in your eyes.... only the police tell the truth... everyone else is wrong... 

You are joining the gas and Bristol Sport on the level of embarrassment shown on here.... 

Congratulations! 

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20 hours ago, TETBURY MASSIVE said:

Do you mean @JulieH is ignoring the facts And she has been caught out?

It didn't happen BBSB.... Julie H said it didn't happen and all the people are lying when they said it did as her source is 100% correct even tho she wasn't there.... 

 

Exactly that .....but she will come up with an excuse to cover up....oh wait, she's already done it !!! :facepalm:

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