Bristol R*vers dustbin thread

[RedRock]

24 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Correct - they had a 'go' but got sussed as they came in , and got mullered as they came in by the turnstile area by the old Williams

Its recounted in at least one Gooners 70s/ 80s book

They admit that they came full of swagger to teach the country bumpkins a lesson after City invaded Highbury on that infamous August day , but got a bit of a shock !!!

Spurs had a go late in the First Division 'survival season' (when we beat them 1-0 at the Gate ifI recall right with a Cormack pen) - got saved by the rozzers and taken around to the open end

Where they were startled to find yet another group of 'Park End' City throwing missiles at them, as they were parading in front of their own fans doing the 'aren't we hard' act.  

Edited December 14, 2015 by Moor2Sea

[phantom]

9 hours ago, SX225 said:

I do remember one game where something happened to the padlocks, but that wasn't this one.

Correct - that was more to do with moving between sections of segregation

[slartibartfast]

10 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

 

Its recounted in at least one Gooners 70s/ 80s book

 

Steaming In .

[NOTBLUE]

6 minutes ago, slartibartfast said:

Steaming In .

Or In the case of the gooners,streaming out.

[ciderup]

16 hours ago, cityexile said:

If we are talking the same game, i can still see the seats flying between the Dolman and away end. Different times!

I remember that one but have a vague recollection of Swansea on the east end but am not sure if it's just a story or not. Would have been late 70's early 80's I think. Did that happen or is it a figment of imagination?

Edited December 15, 2015 by ciderup

[alexukhc]

10 hours ago, SX225 said:

 

 

I don't think so. Some city fans had managed to get hold of Tote end tickets, and we had to meet them in  a couple of pubs on Gloucester Rd and buy them Saturday lunchtime. We easily had 200 in there.

 

I do remember one game where something happened to the padlocks, but that wasn't this one.

 

The one in the EE I remember the most was vs Leeds. They had been spotted very early around Bedminster, and came through the Williams side turnstiles one by one, around the corner by the old concrete wall the young 'uns used to sit on top of and got an almighty shoeing. Game as hell though, kept coming, but in the end were cowering by the old steel gates by the turnstiles where the Police helped them out.

I also remember a Policemans helmet being worn by various East Enders throughout the match!

 

Millwall was genuinely scary. We had heard a rumour that a 12 yr old had got a Stanley to the face earlier, so the mood was foul. The concrete and metal chair holders raining down on Millwall was terrifying. As someone else said, how no-one was killed that day remains a mystery. I genuinely thought a Policeman on horseback was going to die. Clearly saw and heard a lump of concrete hit him in the head (luckily they had helmets on, the mounted coppers then) and he went right off his horse. Luckily no serious damage was done.

Arsenal held the EE for quite some time. Big Boys league that one. Stayed well out of it.  The raw violence was frightening.

Younger fans will not (cannot) comprehend how violent supporting City home and away was back then.

Was it really that bad?

[richwwtk]

It really wasn't that bad, it's being glorified beyond belief on this thread at the moment. Yes, there was more trouble in the 70s and 80s than now but it was still perfectly avoidable if you didn't want to be involved. All that's happening here right now is a few old men's egos being polished up a bit.

[slartibartfast]

9 minutes ago, richwwtk said:

. All that's happening here right now is a few old men's egos being polished up a bit.

All that's happening is some dick-head gapper comes here and tries to rewrite history.

A few of us are just telling what actually happened with FIRST HAND accounts, as opposed. to his made up, obviously wasn't there,  versions !

[alexukhc]

9 minutes ago, richwwtk said:

It really wasn't that bad, it's being glorified beyond belief on this thread at the moment. Yes, there was more trouble in the 70s and 80s than now but it was still perfectly avoidable if you didn't want to be involved. All that's happening here right now is a few old men's egos being polished up a bit.

I remember the late 80s, when I started going with my uncle, obviously being young I never asked questions, but we trawled through estates and parks in groups to get to games, sometimes I would have to hide round corners and make a hand signal if we saw another group then run on ahead and meet him up the road in 5minutes, he'd come back with the odd stratch. Get to the game and move about a lot. Some games I wasn't allowed to go to.

I then started going with my friend and his dad and we never did those walks again and actually sat in those posh seats in the williams  

[BobBobSuperBob]

1 hour ago, slartibartfast said:

Steaming In .

Yes - thanksStarblast

- should have remembered  ( I'm on the cover of the original - in amongst England's pen at the Euro Holland game in 88 in Düsseldorf with a few other City mates)

[richwwtk]

13 minutes ago, slartibartfast said:

All that's happening is some dick-head gapper comes here and tries to rewrite history.

A few of us are just telling what actually happened with FIRST HAND accounts, as opposed. to his made up, obviously wasn't there,  versions !

But you sound like a bunch of ten year old arguing over who's the hardest. It doesn't matter a jot. And it's only history in that it's in the past, it doesn't need rewriting either way and certainly doesn't need defending. The history of our club is what's happened on the pitch, people fighting on the terraces is really a bit of an embarrassing chapter and should be forgotten if at all possible.

[BobBobSuperBob]

36 minutes ago, richwwtk said:

But you sound like a bunch of ten year old arguing over who's the hardest. It doesn't matter a jot. And it's only history in that it's in the past, it doesn't need rewriting either way and certainly doesn't need defending. The history of our club is what's happened on the pitch, people fighting on the terraces is really a bit of an embarrassing chapter and should be forgotten if at all possible.

You are entitled to your view and are always vocal but consistent on your views re this

but

Firstly you need to understand football has gone thro many phases and eras and the 60s /70s and 80s were ones where at various times going to football was a 'whole experience' for MANY not just one or two - certainly many City away followings were predominantly  lads who liked a beer and a laugh - often it was no more , and sometimes a bit of 'aggro'

Most people knew where to draw the line and for all the numbers and games actual proper violence was rare

It was a crack and many many people from all walks of life participated to some minor or major degree - that's what happened

no one can 'defend' it of course , but it happened, Most never did anything they'd be ashamed of as you suggest we should....

Oh ..... And the away days with your City mates - it was fun , real good fun 

Some of the 'lads' I knew and still know from City and across the country thro England travels have been the nicest lads I've ever met, loyal as **** and actually real nice top lads.

shame you missed out on it !!! 

 

I do respect and understand your views tho

Edited December 15, 2015 by BobBobSuperBob

[phantom]

1 hour ago, richwwtk said:

It really wasn't that bad, it's being glorified beyond belief on this thread at the moment. Yes, there was more trouble in the 70s and 80s than now but it was still perfectly avoidable if you didn't want to be involved. All that's happening here right now is a few old men's egos being polished up a bit.

Firstly you say "it really wasn't that bad" but on here and other threads before you mention how you keep away from trouble

Very easy to say if you kept away from it, that it didn't happen but clearly it did !

[phantom]

32 minutes ago, richwwtk said:

But you sound like a bunch of ten year old arguing over who's the hardest. It doesn't matter a jot. And it's only history in that it's in the past, it doesn't need rewriting either way and certainly doesn't need defending. The history of our club is what's happened on the pitch, people fighting on the terraces is really a bit of an embarrassing chapter and should be forgotten if at all possible.

If it doesn't matter, why bother replying ?

[Alan Dicks' Barmy Army]

38 minutes ago, richwwtk said:

But you sound like a bunch of ten year old arguing over who's the hardest. It doesn't matter a jot. And it's only history in that it's in the past, it doesn't need rewriting either way and certainly doesn't need defending. The history of our club is what's happened on the pitch, people fighting on the terraces is really a bit of an embarrassing chapter and should be forgotten if at all possible.

 

8 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

You are entitled to your view and are always vocal but consistent on your views re this

but

Firstly you need to understand football has gone thro many phases and eras and the 60s /70s and 80s were ones where at various times going to football was a 'whole experience' for MANY not just one or two - certainly many City away followings were predominantly  lads who liked a beer and a laugh - often it was no more , and sometimes a bit of 'aggro'

I knew it wouldn't take long for the usual forum critic to come out with his usual boring retorts, perhaps you need to educate yourself a bit and read the reply above

whether we like it or not it happened - not sure the immature digs and replies actually paints you in a good light - even though you do have a point sometimes

[richwwtk]

10 minutes ago, Alan Dicks' Barmy Army said:

 

I knew it wouldn't take long for the usual forum critic to come out with his usual boring retorts, perhaps you need to educate yourself a bit and read the reply above

whether we like it or not it happened - not sure the immature digs and replies actually paints you in a good light - even though you do have a point sometimes

 

Yes it happened, and I've never denied it, but it's made out to be as if it was the only thing going on at the football when it was a sideshow at best.

The fact that people enjoyed it really doesn't make it acceptable, and it amazes me that people are so proud of having been involved rather than realising now what fools they were and being quite embarrassed about it.

[slartibartfast]

1 hour ago, richwwtk said:

But you sound like a bunch of ten year old arguing over who's the hardest. It doesn't matter a jot. And it's only history in that it's in the past, it doesn't need rewriting either way and certainly doesn't need defending. The history of our club is what's happened on the pitch, people fighting on the terraces is really a bit of an embarrassing chapter and should be forgotten if at all possible.

yadda yadda, whatever

[BobBobSuperBob]

6 minutes ago, richwwtk said:

 

Yes it happened, and I've never denied it, but it's made out to be as if it was the only thing going on at the football when it was a sideshow at best.

The fact that people enjoyed it really doesn't make it acceptable, and it amazes me that people are so proud of having been involved rather than realising now what fools they were and being quite embarrassed about it.

I think it's fair to say you don't 'get it'

I don't have a problem with that, you certainly won't be alone in that or disapproval of some of what went on

However I don't think you have any hope of any real embarrassment from those who were involved - most have fond and predominantly funny memories of those days - but again I give no hope to you understanding this

Theres actually something a bit special when abroad with England having a laugh with lads from other clubs , rival clubs with even a history between the two, having a beer and laugh together knowing they've got your back and you theirs- because you're English (You won't get that either)

These are the sort of lads who are the sort that will come to your aid in a back alley in Marseille if you need it next summer.

 

You have now got the sterile football experience that many apparently wanted - it's not for me so much these days - just my personal view - but I don't drone on about the crap,sterile atmospheres at football these days - that's just the way it is - it's a different era

 

Hopefully with the efforts of Section 82 and the Ateyo Lads some decent atmosphere will come back to football, and to keep,everyone happy with limited aggro (I think you are very naive if you think that football will ever be a true 'theatre' the experience - thousands of people , predominantly male in any location - always going to be a bit of male posturing and occasionally a flare up - that's life , not just football)

If you don't like the banter - ignore it

 

[RedRock]

1 hour ago, richwwtk said:

But you sound like a bunch of ten year old arguing over who's the hardest. It doesn't matter a jot. And it's only history in that it's in the past, it doesn't need rewriting either way and certainly doesn't need defending. The history of our club is what's happened on the pitch, people fighting on the terraces is really a bit of an embarrassing chapter and should be forgotten if at all possible.

The problem being on the pitch for a Club representing a city the size of Bristol our history is more than a little embarrassing, off the pitch less so. 

I take some form of perverse pride from the fact that we've never been embarrassed off the pitch during my younger days. As strange and sad as it may sound to some, I know hundreds of others share my view from a great variety of walks of life. 

Time moves on though and I'm taking as much pride from our new stadium as I did in the days stood on the East and Park Ends, the Enclosure and Dolman defending our patch. 

 

[richwwtk]

36 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

I think it's fair to say you don't 'get it' - I think you're right, I don't get what people gain from hammering ten tons of shite out of each other

I don't have a problem with that, you certainly won't be alone in that or disapproval of some of what went on

However I don't think you have any hope of any real embarrassment from those who were involved - most have fond and predominantly funny memories of those days - but again I give no hope to you understanding this

Theres actually something a bit special when abroad with England having a laugh with lads from other clubs , rival clubs with even a history between the two, having a beer and laugh together knowing they've got your back and you theirs- because you're English (You won't get that either) - I've followed England abroad, had a beer and a laugh with fans of other clubs, even fans of other nations. Didn't feel the need to fight anyone though.

These are the sort of lads who are the sort that will come to your aid in a back alley in Marseille if you need it next summer. - Funnily enough, I've never needed it

 

You have now got the sterile football experience that many apparently wanted - it's not for me so much these days - just my personal view - but I don't drone on about the crap,sterile atmospheres at football these days - that's just the way it is - it's a different era - It's not the experience I wanted, I loved being a supporter on the terraces in the past,  but not for a second do I believe that the atmosphere at football in the past was anything to do with violence. It was all about the tribal nature of football and mainly came from large terraces. The fact that it sometimes spilled over into violence said more about some peoples inability to support without feeling the need to fight opposition fans

 

Hopefully with the efforts of Section 82 and the Ateyo Lads some decent atmosphere will come back to football, and to keep,everyone happy with limited aggro (I think you are very naive if you think that football will ever be a true 'theatre' the experience - thousands of people , predominantly male in any location - always going to be a bit of male posturing and occasionally a flare up - that's life , not just football) - Posturing is fine, it's what makes the atmosphere. It's the violence that's unnecessary, not sure how many times it needs repeating. The efforts of the section 82 and Atyeo Lads are great, and they have my wholehearted support.

If you don't like the banter - ignore it - It's not banter, it's thuggery. I enjoy the banter, the drinking, the singing. It just doesn't need to spill over.

 

 

[class_not_gas]

On 14 December 2015 at 08:24, SX225 said:

Utter bollox.

I clearly remember getting tickets from fellow city lads in a pub in Gloucester Rd, going into the Tote in groups of 2 and 3, mobbing up in the far left corner as you look at it, and burst into song at about 14.50 "The Ciiity".

 

You lot legged it. A few came back, had a go, got belted and legged it.

We all then got escorted out the back, through a gate and around the pitch to the rest of the City fans.

To a loud round of applause I may add.

We came, we sang,we waded in, you ran like rabbits.

And we did it more than once.

 

Looking back, it isn't the proudest times of my life, but don't spout complete garbage by denying it happened.

And happened often.

Not according to this tough nut .ha ha ha ha http://youtu.be/Jxlvu7qzsss 

[NOTBLUE]

6 minutes ago, class_not_gas said:

Not according to this tough nut .ha ha ha ha http://youtu.be/Jxlvu7qzsss 

And that's when he sober,I hate to think what he's like when he's p*****.

[BobBobSuperBob]

19 minutes ago, class_not_gas said:

Not according to this tough nut .ha ha ha ha http://youtu.be/Jxlvu7qzsss 

Roll on 20 years and ladies and gentlemen let me introduce you to.......

Mr Darrell Dopey Clarke ........

[1960maaan]

4 hours ago, richwwtk said:

It really wasn't that bad, it's being glorified beyond belief on this thread at the moment. Yes, there was more trouble in the 70s and 80s than now but it was still perfectly avoidable if you didn't want to be involved. All that's happening here right now is a few old men's egos being polished up a bit.

This is true !

4 hours ago, slartibartfast said:

All that's happening is some dick-head gapper comes here and tries to rewrite history.

A few of us are just telling what actually happened with FIRST HAND accounts, as opposed. to his made up, obviously wasn't there,  versions !

This is also true !

4 hours ago, richwwtk said:

But you sound like a bunch of ten year old arguing over who's the hardest. It doesn't matter a jot. And it's only history in that it's in the past, it doesn't need rewriting either way and certainly doesn't need defending. The history of our club is what's happened on the pitch, people fighting on the terraces is really a bit of an embarrassing chapter and should be forgotten if at all possible.

If a thread either annoys or has no interest to me I tend not to post, but your opinions are as valid as anyone's. The history of the club IS on the pitch, however these stories are fans history.

What I would say is, it happened, it does have interest to people who were there or have may have heard stories. The first home game I went on my own was Sunderland first game of the season(won 4-3), 1970 and I can tell you as a 10 year old it was mental . As was the same game the following year, needless to say I didn't get involved but man IT HAPPENED !  I remember a Cardiff home game with (at the time I think) a record number of arrests, 96 I seem to recall.

My point is , it was at times very bad and yes if you wanted to you could avoid it (most of the time) but I really do believe it added to the atmosphere. The old div 1 games with large and 'game' away following spiced things up, why do you think there were several groups around the ground that all sang?That wouldn't happen in today's sanitised version of the game(yes there are exceptions).There was trouble, to different degrees, at a high percentage of games but it could completely pass you by if you weren't interested. On the other side, I always went in the East end near the middle and you never knew who was going to appear. As I said , my first game Vs Sunderland. They were on the Eastend when we got in there, I didn't understand what was happening and then the City lads arrived kicked them out and chased them to the open end, people coming on from the enclosures to help them on their way! And that was my introduction to City.

I understand your point of view @richwwtk but it's a pointless argument, you didn't / don't like it others did , or at least find it interesting. It will be discussed again at some time as these things tend to pop up , one thing I will say. It's safer drinking in the town centre at away games now .

[Nogbad the Bad]

On 10/25/2015 at 01:17, Aizoon said:

 

I've been attending since 1970 and I've never seen the EE 'taken'.

I'm not talking about away fans getting in an hour before the game, that surely doesn't count.

I've seen Rovers and Man. Utd make themselves known in the top corner and big brawls as the City fans surged over from the middle chanting 'You'll never take the East End.'

I've been on my usual position on the open bit of the EE when Spurs fans strutted in only to be ambushed by hundreds waiting expectantly for exactly that occurrence.

Arsenal fans being denied entry on the entrance slope and a mob of Villa fans being forced down into the EE bogs and having to remain inside with police protection.

I remember Cardiff fans ( in colours) coming in and immediately being hemmed in by police in the open section, and staying there for the whole game, with City fans on the other side of the walkway. Surprisingly good humoured chanting both ways that day - Humpty Dumpty sat on the wall etc.

Defending your 'end' was part and parcel of supporting City to many young fans. Many of those being chucked out or arrested were 16/17 year olds. I know several otherwise completely placid, sensible, and law abiding City fans - not 'thugs' by any stretch of the imagination - whose only experience of fighting has been when they were young and had a determination to defend the honour of the 'East End, Ashton Gate', if need be.

 

 

 

 

 

[slartibartfast]

1 hour ago, class_not_gas said:

Not according to this tough nut .ha ha ha ha http://youtu.be/Jxlvu7qzsss 

Ah, a face to a name, meet St Andrews Gas !

[Vincent Vega]

4 minutes ago, slartibartfast said:

Ah, a face to a name, meet St Andrews Gas !

Deluded & drunk , a dangerous combo 

[ciderup]

10 minutes ago, slartibartfast said:

Ah, a face to a name, meet St Andrews Gas !

Nah, that's Egger, AKA Tony Strickland. well known uber piss head around the 'Wood. Not at all well I believe.  He's actually a nice enough bloke and the best brick layer I have ever seen if you can catch him sober (which isn't very often).

[Tall King Blox]

1 hour ago, class_not_gas said:

Not according to this tough nut .ha ha ha ha http://youtu.be/Jxlvu7qzsss 

Aw shit, I know this guy, Kingswood piss head of the highest order, shame he's turned out this way, 

[Nogbad the Bad]

On 10/25/2015 at 01:17, Aizoon said:

 

 

@1960maaan

That Cardiff game in the 70's, it was actually alot more than 96 arrests, about 140, and much was made of it on the local media the next day about it being a record number.

Most of the arrests were actually Cardiff fans who were rounded up en masse when the police closed off a road at both ends and arrested everybody.

Not that many charged, no more than about 10 iirc.