hinsleburg Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 9 minutes ago, Davefevs said: For me, we’ve proved that with most of our key players available we are competitive in this league, hell, we’ve had an 8 game unbeaten run and a 13 game one this season. That doesn’t smack of poor or disappointing to me, but that’s me. But it’s pretty evident when the likes of James or Naismith (or both) are out, we find it harder to get points. Not just those two, that’s far too simplistic a reason, include Atkinson too, Pring having to play CB, etc, etc. So the gist of it for me is that we need to improve depth…and that doesn’t mean hoarding players, just a few more true first team options rather than debutants and 34 year old CMs (no dissing of Andy King). I agree with the above. I think if everybody was available and we were to pick our 'Best 11' it's easily a top 10 side regardless of if we all agree on every player/formation. Think the lack of depth is a real indication of where we've had to cost cut and we've gambled our core of 15 or so 'first teamers' will get us through with help from academy prospects etc. Where we are at an advantageous situation for next season is a lot of these academy players have now had first team football. Players like Taylor-Clarke and Bell almost move up into that 'core group' having had more exposure to first team and as a result are more viable options if needed. Assuming Scott goes we need to be clever on how we spend it, we know we're not going to get another Alex Scott from nowhere so will need to have a clear strategy and plan for the year. But if we can recruit well and increase that core group to 19-20 not including academy products who haven't played first team or King then we will be in a much better situation going forwards! Where we are at a disadvantage is likely losing Scott and Kalas so need to replace with quality there to ensure that best 11 stays top 10 without compromising the budget and leaving us with no depth. Feels like I say it every year but this summer will be a really interesting one as there's so many different potential routes and strategies the club could choose to adopt! 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Marcus Aurelius said: I think we’ve had a pretty good season, the biggest negative for me is the fitness department re amount of injuries, but a lot have been impact (unsure how much can be attributed to bad luck). Sometimes an injury is self inflicted. We now have a squad of players who are giving everything to the team effort. So rather than pulling out of tackles or "hiding" like we were when NP arrived, some may be trying too hard and in a way causing their injuries. Especially the younger ones who are still learning the game. And the elders of the squad carrying on playing with a niggle injury that can be coped with but finally makes them stop. I'm hoping that we get a squad with two for each position and where those niggles can be given a rest to recover rather than being out for months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 24 minutes ago, hinsleburg said: I agree with the above. I think if everybody was available and we were to pick our 'Best 11' it's easily a top 10 side regardless of if we all agree on every player/formation. Think the lack of depth is a real indication of where we've had to cost cut and we've gambled our core of 15 or so 'first teamers' will get us through with help from academy prospects etc. Where we are at an advantageous situation for next season is a lot of these academy players have now had first team football. Players like Taylor-Clarke and Bell almost move up into that 'core group' having had more exposure to first team and as a result are more viable options if needed. Assuming Scott goes we need to be clever on how we spend it, we know we're not going to get another Alex Scott from nowhere so will need to have a clear strategy and plan for the year. But if we can recruit well and increase that core group to 19-20 not including academy products who haven't played first team or King then we will be in a much better situation going forwards! Where we are at a disadvantage is likely losing Scott and Kalas so need to replace with quality there to ensure that best 11 stays top 10 without compromising the budget and leaving us with no depth. Feels like I say it every year but this summer will be a really interesting one as there's so many different potential routes and strategies the club could choose to adopt! You worded it much better than I did. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 2 hours ago, hinsleburg said: I agree with the above. I think if everybody was available and we were to pick our 'Best 11' it's easily a top 10 side regardless of if we all agree on every player/formation. Think the lack of depth is a real indication of where we've had to cost cut and we've gambled our core of 15 or so 'first teamers' will get us through with help from academy prospects etc. Where we are at an advantageous situation for next season is a lot of these academy players have now had first team football. Players like Taylor-Clarke and Bell almost move up into that 'core group' having had more exposure to first team and as a result are more viable options if needed. Assuming Scott goes we need to be clever on how we spend it, we know we're not going to get another Alex Scott from nowhere so will need to have a clear strategy and plan for the year. But if we can recruit well and increase that core group to 19-20 not including academy products who haven't played first team or King then we will be in a much better situation going forwards! Where we are at a disadvantage is likely losing Scott and Kalas so need to replace with quality there to ensure that best 11 stays top 10 without compromising the budget and leaving us with no depth. Feels like I say it every year but this summer will be a really interesting one as there's so many different potential routes and strategies the club could choose to adopt! Very incisive comment. This season is over and I hope that the remaining games are utilised in a way which ensures as many academy players who are near oven ready are given some game time. The final points tally is obviously important but giving experience to emerging talent is probably more so even just to ensure they can get loan deals in L1 next season. The summer will be the first opportunity since pre pandemic that there may be cash to spend on "one's for the present" as opposed to "one's for the future". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 3 hours ago, Marcus Aurelius said: I think we’ve had a pretty good season, the biggest negative for me is the fitness department re amount of injuries, but a lot have been impact (unsure how much can be attributed to bad luck). I think the lack of injuries compared to a couple of seasons ago have been brilliant . You’re always going to get injuries , every club will. It’s the fact that we’ve had a few to key players when we have a small squad all at once that makes it look worse. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 4 hours ago, Davefevs said: For me, we’ve proved that with most of our key players available we are competitive in this league, hell, we’ve had an 8 game unbeaten run and a 13 game one this season. That doesn’t smack of poor or disappointing to me, but that’s me. But it’s pretty evident when the likes of James or Naismith (or both) are out, we find it harder to get points. Not just those two, that’s far too simplistic a reason, include Atkinson too, Pring having to play CB, etc, etc. So the gist of it for me is that we need to improve depth…and that doesn’t mean hoarding players, just a few more true first team options rather than debutants and 34 year old CMs (no dissing of Andy King). Practically any team in any division can claim they’ve had spells in a season that weren’t disappointing, to me it’s another disappointing season particularity when you see the likes of Millwall, Blackburn, Luton etc fighting for promotion, maybe it’s just me but I’m still trying to get over my away games at B’ham, Cardiff Luton & Swansea 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 14 minutes ago, harrys said: Practically any team in any division can claim they’ve had spells in a season that weren’t disappointing, to me it’s another disappointing season particularity when you see the likes of Millwall, Blackburn, Luton etc fighting for promotion, maybe it’s just me but I’m still trying to get over my away games at B’ham, Cardiff Luton & Swansea That's it, you focus on the negatives it will save the rest of us from getting depressed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: That's it, you focus on the negatives it will save the rest of us from getting depressed. You focus on being a happy clapper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 44 minutes ago, harrys said: You focus on being a happy clapper How original. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 45 minutes ago, harrys said: Practically any team in any division can claim they’ve had spells in a season that weren’t disappointing, to me it’s another disappointing season particularity when you see the likes of Millwall, Blackburn, Luton etc fighting for promotion, maybe it’s just me but I’m still trying to get over my away games at B’ham, Cardiff Luton & Swansea They are 2-3 years ahead of us in their “growth”. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 5 hours ago, hinsleburg said: I agree with the above. I think if everybody was available and we were to pick our 'Best 11' it's easily a top 10 side regardless of if we all agree on every player/formation. Think the lack of depth is a real indication of where we've had to cost cut and we've gambled our core of 15 or so 'first teamers' will get us through with help from academy prospects etc. Where we are at an advantageous situation for next season is a lot of these academy players have now had first team football. Players like Taylor-Clarke and Bell almost move up into that 'core group' having had more exposure to first team and as a result are more viable options if needed. Assuming Scott goes we need to be clever on how we spend it, we know we're not going to get another Alex Scott from nowhere so will need to have a clear strategy and plan for the year. But if we can recruit well and increase that core group to 19-20 not including academy products who haven't played first team or King then we will be in a much better situation going forwards! Where we are at a disadvantage is likely losing Scott and Kalas so need to replace with quality there to ensure that best 11 stays top 10 without compromising the budget and leaving us with no depth. Feels like I say it every year but this summer will be a really interesting one as there's so many different potential routes and strategies the club could choose to adopt! The pressure will be very much on those responsible for recruitment - Get it right & we will be moving very much in the right direction. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 1 hour ago, harrys said: Practically any team in any division can claim they’ve had spells in a season that weren’t disappointing, to me it’s another disappointing season particularity when you see the likes of Millwall, Blackburn, Luton etc fighting for promotion, maybe it’s just me but I’m still trying to get over my away games at B’ham, Cardiff Luton & Swansea No context whatsoever here. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 2 hours ago, harrys said: Practically any team in any division can claim they’ve had spells in a season that weren’t disappointing, to me it’s another disappointing season particularity when you see the likes of Millwall, Blackburn, Luton etc fighting for promotion, maybe it’s just me but I’m still trying to get over my away games at B’ham, Cardiff Luton & Swansea I’ve had 60 years of this shit and forty years just to get to a point where we are an established second tier club again. And you had four shit away games in the effective second division. Behave!! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, harrys said: Practically any team in any division can claim they’ve had spells in a season that weren’t disappointing, to me it’s another disappointing season particularity when you see the likes of Millwall, Blackburn, Luton etc fighting for promotion But those clubs are at a different point in the cycle of improvement/stagnation/decline that every club goes through. Have those clubs had to slash their wage bills like us? Or had to sell millions of pounds worth of their best talent to keep FFP happy? Or deal with the fallout of a reckless CEO? Or try and deal with all that and play proper football rather than resorting to lump it, percentage tactics? Luton and Millwall have been on a steady, upward curve in the last year or two - we've been hurtling backwards over that same period, you can't just flick a switch and regain the sort of momentum they've had. Which I'm sure you know. Both those clubs have also recruited well to a specific, coherent gameplan - we haven't been, we've been clubs-in-the-bag scattergun! Until recently... So you're not comparing like for like I'm afraid, annoying as it is - and ever was - to see tinpot types out-performing us. Edited March 23, 2023 by Merrick's Marvels 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 21 minutes ago, REDOXO said: I’ve had 60 years of this shit and forty years just to get to a point where we are an established second tier club again. And you had four shit away games in the effective second division. Behave!! And I’ve had longer, behave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 7 hours ago, hinsleburg said: I agree with the above. I think if everybody was available and we were to pick our 'Best 11' it's easily a top 10 side regardless of if we all agree on every player/formation. Think the lack of depth is a real indication of where we've had to cost cut and we've gambled our core of 15 or so 'first teamers' will get us through with help from academy prospects etc. Where we are at an advantageous situation for next season is a lot of these academy players have now had first team football. Players like Taylor-Clarke and Bell almost move up into that 'core group' having had more exposure to first team and as a result are more viable options if needed. Assuming Scott goes we need to be clever on how we spend it, we know we're not going to get another Alex Scott from nowhere so will need to have a clear strategy and plan for the year. But if we can recruit well and increase that core group to 19-20 not including academy products who haven't played first team or King then we will be in a much better situation going forwards! Where we are at a disadvantage is likely losing Scott and Kalas so need to replace with quality there to ensure that best 11 stays top 10 without compromising the budget and leaving us with no depth. Feels like I say it every year but this summer will be a really interesting one as there's so many different potential routes and strategies the club could choose to We lost Kalas before the beginning of the season in reality and we coped. Bizarrely the player I don't think we've replaced is Cundy. Think the Palace lad was effectively his replacement but it didn't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 A nice mention in a piece on the U20 World Cup too. In particular: Wednesday brought encouragement for England’s World Cup prospects, however. Foster’s team adapted swiftly to Germany’s gameplan while the impressive central midfield pair of Chelsea’s Carney Chukwuemeka and Bristol City’s Alex Scott illustrated the benefit of Premier League experience and regular first-team football respectively. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/mar/23/these-boys-are-monsters-englands-under-20s-size-up-hectic-world-cup 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 1 hour ago, harrys said: And I’ve had longer, behave If that’s true Then you should know better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mr Popodopolous Posted March 26, 2023 Report Share Posted March 26, 2023 (edited) Just a look at our squad depth chart. A nice round 18, if most fit but while prior to last week. Not including Hakin departure yet so as of say last Monday. I know he's gone btw. O'Leary Tanner Vyner (Kalas) Atkinson Pring Naismith Sykes Scott James Mehmeti Wells Hakin, Kalas (Vyner), DaSilva, Williams, Weimann, Cornick, Bell, Conway Let alone players such as Wilson, King and Benarous. Bold=Injured Underlined=Suspended Italic=Available but questionable match fitness. Line through=Left Edited March 26, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 28, 2023 Report Share Posted March 28, 2023 I’ve checked it’s a real link. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 28, 2023 Report Share Posted March 28, 2023 Just headed against the post from 6 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tts_city Posted March 28, 2023 Report Share Posted March 28, 2023 decent watch this, Scott just hit the post and is putting in some proper tackles in midfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider hoss rules Posted March 28, 2023 Report Share Posted March 28, 2023 Just now, Davefevs said: Just headed against the post from 6 yards. should have scored it TBF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted March 28, 2023 Report Share Posted March 28, 2023 How slow was that England defender re the goal, like going through treacle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheddarReds Posted March 28, 2023 Report Share Posted March 28, 2023 Uh oh.. he's gone down for the second time in 5 mins or so.. He's been subbed off now. Hopefully it's an impact injury and nothing a couple days rest won't fix! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P'head Red Posted March 28, 2023 Report Share Posted March 28, 2023 39 minutes ago, CheddarReds said: Uh oh.. he's gone down for the second time in 5 mins or so.. He's been subbed off now. Hopefully it's an impact injury and nothing a couple days rest won't fix! Oh dear. This was the news I've been dreading whilst he's been on international duty! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted March 28, 2023 Report Share Posted March 28, 2023 Hopefully not too serious. On the plus side if he is injured that might mean he stays with us at least until the January transfer window. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphindevon Posted March 28, 2023 Report Share Posted March 28, 2023 (edited) I must admit I’ve been like a worried parent almost resigning myself that he’s going to get injured on international duty. Hopefully it’s nothing but we’re already counting down the games we’ve got left seeing him in a City shirt and it’s probably not very many even if he’s fit for Saturday. With the amount he’s played this season surely it’d be too much at his age to then go on and play in the summer U20 world cup tournament? Of course it probably won’t be Bristol City’s problem come August but still……. Edited March 28, 2023 by ralphindevon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC1512 Posted March 28, 2023 Report Share Posted March 28, 2023 Just hobbled of injured England U20s :( 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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