Northern Red Posted October 15, 2023 Report Share Posted October 15, 2023 22 minutes ago, Will Rollason said: De Klerk can **** right off tho.... i remember ee He's your classic gobshite scrum half. Brilliant player though, I remember going to see Bristol at Sale a few years back and he was levels above anyone else on the pitch, when both teams had several internationals playing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 15, 2023 Report Share Posted October 15, 2023 Shame as the only very small chance I would give us would have been against France. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted October 15, 2023 Report Share Posted October 15, 2023 In fairness all 4 QF's have been amazing. Can't help feeling the semi's may hold a surprise. Great tournament so far. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted October 15, 2023 Report Share Posted October 15, 2023 1 minute ago, Full nelson said: South Africa could play their 2nd XV and still beat us. No they couldn't. I admit I was one of those who doubted we'd get out of the group but England have surprised me. They are flying the flag for the northern hemisphere and can beat the Boks. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted October 15, 2023 Report Share Posted October 15, 2023 1 minute ago, Super said: Shame as the only very small chance I would give us would have been against France. Lets wait and see. That game could take a lot out of SA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelRobartes Posted October 15, 2023 Report Share Posted October 15, 2023 Four brilliant QFs. Some guts from SA to win that. Just an unbelievable game. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 15, 2023 Report Share Posted October 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said: No they couldn't. I admit I was one of those who doubted we'd get out of the group but England have surprised me. They are flying the flag for the northern hemisphere and can beat the Boks. I don't see how. England will have to go up many levels just to get near them. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne allisons tongues Posted October 15, 2023 Report Share Posted October 15, 2023 England only unbeaten team left in tournament Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted October 15, 2023 Report Share Posted October 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, Super said: Shame as the only very small chance I would give us would have been against France. I feel currently we could beat the Boks. I didn't fancy us at all against France in a noisy vehement Stade Francais. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelRobartes Posted October 15, 2023 Report Share Posted October 15, 2023 Remember that charged-down conversion? Fine margins. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 15, 2023 Report Share Posted October 15, 2023 Just now, RoystonFoote'snephew said: I feel currently we could beat the Boks. I didn't fancy us at all against France in a noisy vehement Stade Francais. I just thought all the pressure on France we keep in the game and a small chance we could nick it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted October 15, 2023 Report Share Posted October 15, 2023 2 hours ago, Red Shadow said: What percentage of kids play rugby at schools in England though? Neither my junior school nor my senior school played it therefore I still don't really understand the rules. This is why I don't think England have underachieved. Lets be honest Rugby Union only competes with Football in England in the West Country. It is not our National Sport - unlike NZ, South Africa, Wales and it's definitely more popular in Ireland. You can't use Country population as a metric either, it should be about overall participation and I don't know the numbers but I can't imagine it is anywhere near as popular as Football and Cricket across England. I think the private school system has really held the Sport back 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 15, 2023 Report Share Posted October 15, 2023 5 minutes ago, MichaelRobartes said: Remember that charged-down conversion? Fine margins. Game winning penalty should have went other way. Like I said SA get away with a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelRobartes Posted October 15, 2023 Report Share Posted October 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, 2015 said: This is why I don't think England have underachieved. Lets be honest Rugby Union only competes with Football in England in the West Country. It is not our National Sport - unlike NZ, South Africa, Wales and it's definitely more popular in Ireland. You can't use Country population as a metric either, it should be about overall participation and I don't know the numbers but I can't imagine it is anywhere near as popular as Football and Cricket across England. I think the private school system has really held the Sport back Speaking for Ireland, rugby union is at best the fourth most popular sport after Gaelic football, hurling and football. 1 minute ago, Super said: Game winning penalty should have went other way. Like I said SA get away with a lot. Them's the breaks. I thought O'Keefe had a good game overall to be fair. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted October 15, 2023 Report Share Posted October 15, 2023 You'd obviously have SA as massive favourites against England, but its 1 v 1 team sport. An early red card for SA, or an infinite number of other things could change the odds. Nothing is written. We also play them on the same day in the Cricket world cup............ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted October 15, 2023 Report Share Posted October 15, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Super said: I don't see how. England will have to go up many levels just to get near them. Not so sure. I'm polishing my winnings for a return bet. Edited October 15, 2023 by BigTone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted October 15, 2023 Report Share Posted October 15, 2023 20 minutes ago, Northern Red said: He's your classic gobshite scrum half. Brilliant player though, I remember going to see Bristol at Sale a few years back and he was levels above anyone else on the pitch, when both teams had several internationals playing. I remember that too, game ended in a draw. You're right, he was a standout talent. 8 minutes ago, 2015 said: It is not our National Sport - unlike NZ, South Africa, Wales and it's definitely more popular in Ireland. You can't use Country population as a metric either, it should be about overall participation and I don't know the numbers Nowhere near the national sport in Ireland, and plenty of people in Wales - definitely in the north - would tell you that football was the national sport. Not sure about SA, but would agree it definitely is in NZ. Article from 2020 but gives an idea of overall participation by country: https://lastwordonsports.com/rugby/2020/07/14/top-20-rugby-union-countries-registered-players/ Looking at those numbers I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest England and France, for example, should be doing better than 1 world cup between them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted October 15, 2023 Report Share Posted October 15, 2023 9 minutes ago, MichaelRobartes said: Speaking for Ireland, rugby union is at best the fourth most popular sport after Gaelic football, hurling and football. Them's the breaks. I thought O'Keefe had a good game overall to be fair. And nowt beats an afternoon at Croker !! Or the pub before and after. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North London Red Posted October 15, 2023 Report Share Posted October 15, 2023 I'd say the national sport of South Africa is football, by a long way. Rugby is probably the most popular among the white population, but they account for only about 8% of the overall population of the country. Football is far more popular among black South Africans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedorDead BCFC Posted October 16, 2023 Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 7 hours ago, 2015 said: This is why I don't think England have underachieved. Lets be honest Rugby Union only competes with Football in England in the West Country. It is not our National Sport - unlike NZ, South Africa, Wales and it's definitely more popular in Ireland. You can't use Country population as a metric either, it should be about overall participation and I don't know the numbers but I can't imagine it is anywhere near as popular as Football and Cricket across England. I think the private school system has really held the Sport back Used to be the most popular sport in Wales, now it’s football. Some of the teams are struggling to have a proper seconds team. Only this years six nations Wales was going to strike against WRU due to lack of funds in grassroots rugby. Pulling out against English league was the start of the decline. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted October 16, 2023 Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 France not happy with the officials. Sour grapes or got a point ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul G Posted October 16, 2023 Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 16 minutes ago, Markthehorn said: France not happy with the officials. Sour grapes or got a point ? They've had dodgy TV directors for years so they can sod off as far as I'm concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slacker Posted October 16, 2023 Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 2 hours ago, Markthehorn said: France not happy with the officials. Sour grapes or got a point ? Their French,so....... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claverham_Red Posted October 17, 2023 Report Share Posted October 17, 2023 Went to both games this weekend, was pretty epic. Stadium was incredible. Fair play to the Argies near the end, incredible atmosphere they created. Relived England got the job just about done against Fiji, I guess it's a free pass against SA now so who knows!? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted October 17, 2023 Report Share Posted October 17, 2023 10 hours ago, Markthehorn said: France not happy with the officials. Sour grapes or got a point ? None of my French friends are moaning about it so maybe sour grapes by the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelRobartes Posted October 17, 2023 Report Share Posted October 17, 2023 12 hours ago, Markthehorn said: France not happy with the officials. Sour grapes or got a point ? I don't think so. Some calls that looked iffy on first glance but nothing out of the ordinary. O'Keefe didn't let in those tries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanburyRed Posted October 17, 2023 Report Share Posted October 17, 2023 15 hours ago, Markthehorn said: France not happy with the officials. Sour grapes or got a point ? They should be annoyed at the charged down conversion - those 2pts cost them the game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 17, 2023 Report Share Posted October 17, 2023 18 minutes ago, BanburyRed said: They should be annoyed at the charged down conversion - those 2pts cost them the game. Wasn't that one of the reasons they weren't happy with the officials? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted October 17, 2023 Report Share Posted October 17, 2023 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Super said: Wasn't that one of the reasons they weren't happy with the officials? Who's to say they would have kicked it anyway. It certainly wasn't a gimme. Edited October 17, 2023 by BigTone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted October 17, 2023 Report Share Posted October 17, 2023 54 minutes ago, Super said: Wasn't that one of the reasons they weren't happy with the officials? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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