Senior Reds today, guest Jon Lansdown

[Davefevs]

20 minutes ago, Fjmcity said:

Consult “experienced fans” on managerial decsions

It was a bit of a strange ask wasn’t it!

[Davefevs]

2 minutes ago, marmite said:

Steve became very upset and said member was never seen again

You talking concrete slippers whilst taking a swim?

[marmite]

3 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

You talking concrete slippers whilst taking a swim?

Don't mess with the Guernsey mafioso.

[Davefevs]

1 minute ago, marmite said:

Don't mess with the Guernsey mafioso.

Steve LansDON

[REDOXO]

Sometimes I do wonder what people think. 
 

Managers have contracts. Those contracts will have terms in which the contract is paid up in the case of termination. 
 

However even if they don’t the club pay out the rest of the contract either in a lump sum or over the term to completion then every one is covered.

Managing a football club particularly in the championship is a high turnover occupation. The thought of football managers in a queue at an industrial tribunal claiming unfair dismissal is the thing of back page cartoons. 
 

 

Edited December 22, 2023 by REDOXO

[Fjmcity]

15 minutes ago, marmite said:

I was a member of Senior Reds a few years ago. I remember one meeting, pre redevelopment, when meetings were held in the Williams stand. 

Steve Lansdown was guest speaker and he was criticised by one member for running the club like a non-league club. Steve became very upset and said member was never seen again. Anyone else recall this incident.

 

Was this around 2008?

this exiled supporter clearly put a curse on the club and explains our poor form in recent years. 

find the supporter. End the curse. The Exorcity, if you will.

 

[Tim Monaghan]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Yep, they handled it incredibly badly, chose to come out with stuff that didn’t stand up to scrutiny, nor could they even align amongst themselves.  We all know it was horseshit.

The stupid thing is they created unnecessary pressure on Manning.

Agreeing with this, JL didn't do himself any favours with the way he handled everything, to be honest. When you drop a quote like "we've got a top 6 side," you're asking for trouble, especially when you make a decision you know will go down poorly with the majority of supporters, immediately putting pressure on an already mourning fanbase.

The way I see it, the Lansdowns employed NP. They stuck with him through his battle with COVID and long COVID, during which he was out for some time (as they should). They persevered through an 18-game streak with only 3 wins, a shocking record. But they stood by him when it could have been easy to pull the trigger, especially after the boos rang out following the WBA match, with over half of the supporters wanting him gone (as per the OTIB poll after the game). So why didn't they sack him then? What baffles me the most is that he was actually on his best run of form, so why the sudden sacking?

My theory is, aside from his average record from the previous seasons, it must boil down to one or a number of factors. The club was dragging its heels when it came to a new contract, irritating NP, who started throwing hand grenades. There was only going to be one winner there. Combined with the fact that he was clearly struggling with his health, spending less and less time at the HPC, and his contract nearing the end, it pushed a decision.

Ultimately, the way they did it wasn't great and could have been handled better. Although the reasons I think they may have sacked him couldn't be explicitly stated for obvious reasons. The timing was odd, so I believe something else must have happened, but again, we will never know.

On another entirely different point, I'm not sure if anyone else noticed (and try to find it, @Davefevs @Harry @Kid in the Riot @Mr Popodopolous) — you guys are pretty switched on when it comes to these sorts of things), but did you notice in one of Liam's interviews when he joined? He said something like, when talking about the 5-1 defeat to Oxford against us, "after the game, I spoke to my agent and said, 'well, I won't be joining Bristol City after that,'" almost as if there had been contact from the club previously. That game was at the end of August. I think we'd already sounded him out that summer.

 

[Tim Monaghan]

40 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said:

Ian Gay

Sorry, but its what I think of every time I see his name 

Edited December 22, 2023 by Ghost Rider

[DingleRed]

11 minutes ago, Ghost Rider said:

The timing was odd, so I believe something else must have happened, but again, we will never know.

If they were not going to renew NP's contract, then I don't really see a more convenient time, given they would not be buying in the January window if not keeping the manager. Had to give the new man time to assess the squad first before window. So, timing was as good as it would get IMO.

[Tim Monaghan]

Just now, DingleRed said:

If they were not going to renew NP's contract, then I don't really see a more convenient time, given they would not be buying in the January window if not keeping the manager. Had to give the new man time to assess the squad first before window. So, timing was as good as it would get IMO.

Yeah, valid point. I meant if it was in their minds, why wait? His form (3 wins in 18) was a good time, but I guess it clearly wasn't an option at that point, which leads me back to the theory of it must have been to do with health etc. I don't think that's anything new though, so good point. 

[George Rs]

Might be a ridiculous question, but wouldn’t this lack of structure in senior positions make the club much harder to sell/bring in investors? 
 

Forgive me if I’m missing someone but currently our senior staff is made up of, Jon Lansdown-chairman, who if the club was sold wouldn’t stick around I would’ve thought, Gavin Marshall-Bristol Sport CEO, probably the most competent out of the lot but stretched extremely thin across the whole group, Tom Radcliffe who seems to be both the COO and CFO who I’ve never seen nor heard from and Brian Tinnion who’s actual job role is shrouded in mystery. 
 

Director of Football? , Head of Recruitment? , Academy Manager? , most likely a mix of all three and now he’s being called a CEO who’s learning on the job?

 

For any investors that must seem like a complete cluster**** to walk into. Currently functioning without a recognised individual Bristol City CEO, COO and CFO, a chairman who would be leaving upon new owners taking over, and a completely over promoted DOF. 
 

P.S. Just seen a job advert released a week ago by BCFC for a new Assistant Grounds Manager, with the way we seem to operate might be a punt worth taking, you could find yourself sitting in on board meetings within 12 months .

 

Edited December 22, 2023 by George Rs

[Harry]

26 minutes ago, Ghost Rider said:

Agreeing with this, JL didn't do himself any favours with the way he handled everything, to be honest. When you drop a quote like "we've got a top 6 side," you're asking for trouble, especially when you make a decision you know will go down poorly with the majority of supporters, immediately putting pressure on an already mourning fanbase.

The way I see it, the Lansdowns employed NP. They stuck with him through his battle with COVID and long COVID, during which he was out for some time (as they should). They persevered through an 18-game streak with only 3 wins, a shocking record. But they stood by him when it could have been easy to pull the trigger, especially after the boos rang out following the WBA match, with over half of the supporters wanting him gone (as per the OTIB poll after the game). So why didn't they sack him then? What baffles me the most is that he was actually on his best run of form, so why the sudden sacking?

My theory is, aside from his average record from the previous seasons, it must boil down to one or a number of factors. The club was dragging its heels when it came to a new contract, irritating NP, who started throwing hand grenades. There was only going to be one winner there. Combined with the fact that he was clearly struggling with his health, spending less and less time at the HPC, and his contract nearing the end, it pushed a decision.

Ultimately, the way they did it wasn't great and could have been handled better. Although the reasons I think they may have sacked him couldn't be explicitly stated for obvious reasons. The timing was odd, so I believe something else must have happened, but again, we will never know.

On another entirely different point, I'm not sure if anyone else noticed (and try to find it, @Davefevs @Harry @Kid in the Riot @Mr Popodopolous) — you guys are pretty switched on when it comes to these sorts of things), but did you notice in one of Liam's interviews when he joined? He said something like, when talking about the 5-1 defeat to Oxford against us, "after the game, I spoke to my agent and said, 'well, I won't be joining Bristol City after that,'" almost as if there had been contact from the club previously. That game was at the end of August. I think we'd already sounded him out that summer.

 

Yes I did notice that but must admit I thought it was said in jest. 

[ralphindevon]

26 minutes ago, Ghost Rider said:

Agreeing with this, JL didn't do himself any favours with the way he handled everything, to be honest. When you drop a quote like "we've got a top 6 side," you're asking for trouble, especially when you make a decision you know will go down poorly with the majority of supporters, immediately putting pressure on an already mourning fanbase.

The way I see it, the Lansdowns employed NP. They stuck with him through his battle with COVID and long COVID, during which he was out for some time (as they should). They persevered through an 18-game streak with only 3 wins, a shocking record. But they stood by him when it could have been easy to pull the trigger, especially after the boos rang out following the WBA match, with over half of the supporters wanting him gone (as per the OTIB poll after the game). So why didn't they sack him then? What baffles me the most is that he was actually on his best run of form, so why the sudden sacking?

My theory is, aside from his average record from the previous seasons, it must boil down to one or a number of factors. The club was dragging its heels when it came to a new contract, irritating NP, who started throwing hand grenades. There was only going to be one winner there. Combined with the fact that he was clearly struggling with his health, spending less and less time at the HPC, and his contract nearing the end, it pushed a decision.

Ultimately, the way they did it wasn't great and could have been handled better. Although the reasons I think they may have sacked him couldn't be explicitly stated for obvious reasons. The timing was odd, so I believe something else must have happened, but again, we will never know.

On another entirely different point, I'm not sure if anyone else noticed (and try to find it, @Davefevs @Harry @Kid in the Riot @Mr Popodopolous) — you guys are pretty switched on when it comes to these sorts of things), but did you notice in one of Liam's interviews when he joined? He said something like, when talking about the 5-1 defeat to Oxford against us, "after the game, I spoke to my agent and said, 'well, I won't be joining Bristol City after that,'" almost as if there had been contact from the club previously. That game was at the end of August. I think we'd already sounded him out that summer.

 

I’m pretty sure they’d made their minds up some time ago that they wouldn’t be renewing his contract, so yes, I’m sure Manning was on the list way before he was appointed.

[Tim Monaghan]

2 minutes ago, Harry said:

Yes I did notice that but must admit I thought it was said in jest. 

Yeah, it could have been, I was 50/50 in it, but it did slightly sound more on the side that a conversation had previously been had with his agent. Anyway, Ii found it interesting haha. 

[Iron Acton Red]

30 minutes ago, Ghost Rider said:

Sorry, but its what I think of every time I see his name 

It really is an awful surname. I almost feel for the guy.

[Tim Monaghan]

1 minute ago, Iron Acton Red said:

It really is an awful surname. I almost feel for the guy.

I mean, its not as bad as mine. Lets just say I'm a relation to an ex City manager, so you can guess what mine is  

[George Rs]

2 minutes ago, Ghost Rider said:

I mean, its not as bad as mine. Lets just say I'm a relation to an ex City manager, so you can guess what mine is  

Ghost Dicks does have a certain ring to it to be fair 

[Silvio Dante]

9 minutes ago, Ghost Rider said:

I mean, its not as bad as mine. Lets just say I'm a relation to an ex City manager, so you can guess what mine is  

Good to speak to you again Mr. Thatcuntpulis

[BrizzleRed]

7 minutes ago, George Rs said:

Ghost Dicks does have a certain ring to it to be fair 

Dicks Rider would be far worse!!!

[Tim Monaghan]

Just now, BrizzleRed said:

Dicks Rider would be far worse!!!

Actually almost spat my coffee across the desk. 

[Highburnred]

1 hour ago, Fjmcity said:

Consult “experienced fans” on managerial decsions

Is Tinnion classed as a experienced fan now

[Tim Monaghan]

18 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

Good to speak to you again Mr. Thatcuntpulis

Ironically, and I probably shouldn't say this, but my wife works with Tonys daughter haha

[Major Isewater]

2 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Good post.

Although I very much doubt Nige sees it this way at the moment, I agree with you that him being relieved of his duties is a blessing for his overall health. 

Like when you have a old dog put down. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

Will say, the experienced fans question was a strange one- fan owned club aside ie Exeter, Portsmouth or whoever can't really think of anywhere that is applicable.

[W-S-M Seagull]

4 hours ago, spudski said:

When you say he's unwell...does it affect his judgement?

If it's not affecting his judgement then what's the problem?

He uses Coaches to do training. Instructs from the side. Can relay his message. 

If God forbid a manager lost the use of his legs, and required a motorised wheelchair to operate, would that be considered unable to operate and do his job properly?

I can't see it being a problem. 

If he was in the grass as a coach...then maybe. 

But as long as his judgement isn't diminished then I honestly can't see it being a problem. 

Exactly. It's not like his job was a physical job.

Some of the comments on here about his health are quite concerning. Probably bordering on ableism. Some people seem to have a real issue with his health and seem to use it as a stick to beat him with. 

Maybe he needed some slight adjustments to the working environment, but that's no problem. Maybe from time to time he needed some time off, again no problem, we all get ill. 

Are we going to start sacking players who get injured next? 

3 hours ago, Selred said:

W-S-M mentioned he was doing walks on the beach, as if that meant he was well enough to e.g. attend training. 

The point from @Marina's Rolls Royce and myself was that he was still on crutches on these "walks". It was more on his physical state, not his mental state.

Is there a different word for going for walks on the beach if you are using crutches? 

Going for a walk on the beach, even with crutches, suggests the guy was more than capable of getting himself up to the HPC. 

[phantom]

2 hours ago, Fjmcity said:

Consult “experienced fans” on managerial decsions

When I read that I had a mix of head in hands and laughter reaction

The worst thing is I can hear some of our support asking this and actually believing they should have a say in our Managerial appointments

[Fjmcity]

12 minutes ago, phantom said:

When I read that I had a mix of head in hands and laughter reaction

The worst thing is I can hear some of our support asking this and actually believing they should have a say in our Managerial appointments

Haha same. It’s phenomenal.

the sincerity in which I was written in the OP and likely asked in person is something I just can’t get over and has tickled me for about 4 hours 

[GrahamC]

17 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

Jesus wept.

It gets better… City Cat to running Project Whitebeam.

Bit like some bloke dressing up as Ronald MacDonald then becoming their Head of Sustainability.

We are a total circus.

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, Ghost Rider said:

On another entirely different point, I'm not sure if anyone else noticed (and try to find it, @Davefevs @Harry @Kid in the Riot @Mr Popodopolous) — you guys are pretty switched on when it comes to these sorts of things), but did you notice in one of Liam's interviews when he joined? He said something like, when talking about the 5-1 defeat to Oxford against us, "after the game, I spoke to my agent and said, 'well, I won't be joining Bristol City after that,'" almost as if there had been contact from the club previously. That game was at the end of August. I think we'd already sounded him out that summer.

Yes, it was mentioned on here at the time.

I mentioned the other day / week that a load of contact happens, whether that be club to agent, club to manager, agent to agent, that is probably “tapping up” if you get to the nitty gritty of it.

There is no way the first Liam Manning heard of our approach was that Monday, the day before he was appointed.

Do I care that we started sounding him out much earlier?  Nope.  Not even if it was when Nige was still here.  That’s business.

I’m sure Mark Sykes was used as a stooge for our contact with Rob Dickie.  I’m sure we (the club) had a word with Jason Knight when he was training with Ireland at the HPC.  It goes on.

[aa_bcfc]

I agree with the poster who said that the problems started when Richard Gould left. 
I also think that some of the comments on this thread about Jon Lansdown are both embarrassing and childish.