Silvio Dante

26 minutes ago, bris red said:

Christ.. the words ‘’snow’’ and ‘’flake’’ instantly spring to mind whilst reading your post sorry to say 

Mate. I’m far from a snowflake. I go away a lot, I’ve done 2/3 of away games this year. I just think that I, and probably 99% of fans don’t need idiots “protecting us” when they are the people that cause it.

If following city away 66% of games, having a season ticket and wanting my kid not to have to put up with thugs is a snowflake, I’ll take that any day. But you play your own game.

2 minutes ago, lenred said:

The CSF chant is heard at a lot at away games if there’s ever even any whiff of trouble. 

Yep.

And I’m never going to build a bonfire and put Cardiff at the top, Rovers in the middle and burn the lot.

I’m also not going to hit Tom Lockyer with a brick.

But I’d be expected to be called a ***** and be arrested if I did, and be banned for life from all grounds..

So your point is?

I’ve just come back to this after a few hours and….In what ****ing world is it acceptable to stand up for this shit? I go back to my earlier point - if we admit CSF protected people like me who wanted to just watch the game, then we have to admit that CSF also intimidated and drove away fans like me from the game from other clubs.

Look at the average attendances if you don’t believe that. We’re better off without these pricks, who just want a fight under a banner they’ve misappropriated.

My sons 9. If he never hears the initials CSF I’ll be delighted. Let the dinosaurs die. I’m happy they protected people, but if they didn’t exist, it wouldn’t be needed.

They we’re the cause not the cure. And they should be ashamed of how, as a football fan, they led to me, led to us, being treated. 

2 minutes ago, NickJ said:

A couple of things on this.

Firstly, if the people with this banner didn't realise that "All Lives Matter is a racist slogan when used as a response to Black Lives Matter", it cannot be a racist slogan, to them.

Notwithstanding the above, where is the rule written down which says "All Lives Matter is a racist slogan when used as a response to Black Lives Matter"?

I don’t think it’s racist but I do think it’s intentionally diminishing. As was said further up, ALM was a response to BLM - in effect saying “yeah they do but we do too”, in effect spiking the grievances that BLM may have had. 

I don’t think anyone disagrees that all lives matter. The question is whether it needed to be said at that point - it immediately moved the spotlight away from the very real problems people could see under BLM and into some kind of culture war.

As a socio-economic group, Black people do have less advantages, more discrimination etc than white people. That’s just a fact. But what you do is try and fix that, you don’t say “yeah but” which is what ALM was at that stage.

The paradox with the CSF (and all “firms”) is this.

Speak to any of them, they’ll tell you that they never went after people who didn’t want to get involved, and it was one firm against another. 
 

However, in the next breath they say how they protected all fans. Hell this was stated in the old Paul Lumber thread, and has already come up here (“glad they were there” etc)

Unless, by some miracle, the CSF are the exception to the rule and didn’t go after people who just wanted to watch the game, and every other firm did, then both of those things can’t be true.

So, the only logical deduction is a load of thugs who wanted a fight with anyone. That’s not football, and I’m glad they’re not a part of our club anymore in any great way. 
 

The cenotaph incident was hopefully the last gasp of an outdated culture. And I for one do not believe a word they say in view of the logic above.

Pretty much the Newcastle view.

6 minutes ago, BRIAN WILSON said:

Maybe that's why we played 'All Sea' last season

Umm, maybe we should get  Steve Torp(ey)edo back to lead our line ?  or should we use him as a SUB 

Too true. Many a time last year I watched our performance and shouted “Frigate”

16 minutes ago, Jerseybean said:

Allegedly Admiral Sir Tony Radakin is a big City fan: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/admiral-sir-tony-radakin-kcb-adc-appointed-new-chief-of-the-defence-staff?fbclid=IwAR2liKkkEw5h2togqca2OQ0LJeNxfD3NOPn6AOvmd7MuURMu_pmPqfzNLMM

Yup.
 

Fair play, this should be a good night. Lots of gruesome looking creatures making bizarre moaning sounds and moving in a shuffling zombie like fashion like they’ve been raised from the grave.

And, apart from the first team attending, I’d imagine there’ll be some kids in fancy dress

3 minutes ago, WarksRobin said:

Graphs? @Davefevsis going to be all over this

Dave when he sees the first post of this thread:

50 minutes ago, Robbored said:

I definitely don’t buy that. Why do you suppose that professional footballers sometimes produce sons with the same natural skills if there’s no football DNA?

The Lamapards and the Redknaps are two obvious examples. The Hately’s are another. I’m sure that there are others throughout the game. 

The Johnson’s

1 minute ago, Bouncearoundtheground said:

Can 100% see him at rovers by the end of the season 

Imagine him and Brett Pitman up top together. What’s the opposite of electric pace and movement?

A lot of what I’d want to say here has already been articulated well, but I’d just add that the problem wasn’t necessarily just Jacki, it was what was around him.

Opening day of the season in I think 92-93, we played Pompey. The game was exhilarating- a three all draw, and us having Cole, Jacki and Leroy Rosenior up front. Genuinely could and should have been the best front line in the league.
 

However, at the back, we had Brian Mitchell and David Thompson. We were a horror show. And it became a case of we’d have to score 3 to win a game - and for many reasons, Jacki didn’t do that every game.

This story ends the same way every time. From Tottenham under Ardiles, to when we spunked cash on Akinbiyi, Anderson and Thorpe so ended up with Julian Watts at the back, if you don’t get a decent base, even if the “maverick” performs, you’re by and large screwed. And we were, and naturally as we weren’t great defensively, Jacki ended up having to first play a role that wasn’t him, and then eventually shunted out as Osman went for pragmatism - not necessarily the wrong thing, but nowhere near as entertaining.

Was he better than JET, Noble or Tomlin? Put it this way. He made Junior Bent look like a world beater. 
 

As a “lonely hearts” ad in the Bountyhunter said at the time “Polish George Best seeks ball”. We just weren’t set up to give it to him enough.

1 hour ago, bcfc01 said:

https://cjcomputing.com

Where the multi-million pounds turnover of Ashton Gate gets its IT support - a shop in W-O-T with a 20 year old web site 

I noticed this on the first page of the frankly amateur website…

7 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

MAIT lose at the footballing powerhouse that is Accrington Stanley

Just now, pillred said:

Gas down to 10

And 2-1 down.

Always liked Swindon.

9 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Scott was fit for the 18 on Wednesday so hoping he’ll be ok.

Gonna be an interesting announcement tomorrow at 2pm.

Williams is a real dilemma and risk…especially with a 2 week break after this match.  Short term around works against him though from Wednesday.

In your line-up I’d go Scott RW, Palmer LW and Weimann and Wells up top….but as you say no idea who is fit.

Scott’s also been called up for England U19s - I’d imagine he must be ok or the club would have asked he be left out of the squad.

1 hour ago, GrahamC said:

still looks in pretty good shape for his late 50s.

He was playing at 44 so no shock. He was at Bournemouth just before the Russian cash and had to turn out as they had so little players - played a lot of stiffs games and against Rovers in the LDV

Fair play to Biff, he’s done very well in the back room side of the game since his spell managing Southend.

2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

My fave City LB….an we’ve had some good ones.

It’s a very good discussion. Starting in the late 80s/early 90s there was

Martin Scott

Darren Barnard

Jim Brennan

Mickey Bell

All within a decade. I’d have had Brennan top had he played for longer and realised his potential with us but he played a great run of left footed right back games and ended up going to Forest before he played that much. Lot of respect for Barnard as well - signed a new deal which meant we got a fee, when it was clear he was in the way prior to signing. You then obviously had the cheap Bell.

And this is before we get into Bryan, DaSilva and Mark Humphries.

But I’m probably with you on Scott

5 hours ago, TonyTonyTony said:

                          Bents

Tanner      Kalas      Atkinson     JD

                         James

            HNM                 Williams

   Weimann         Wells           Pring

 

Subs   -   MOL, Baker, Simpson, King, Palmer, Martin, Scott

Damn good footballer but think he’s retired mate

1 minute ago, GrahamC said:

I would pick any of our other midfielders (James, Williams, King, HNM) before him, myself.

Think he has had his opportunity with HNM out, King missing at QPR & nervousness over starting Williams but he’s blown it for me & would only be a sub now if we had no other option.

Yep, agree, he’s definitely 6th in the queue for me. And that probably says he’s not got a long term future here as it’s not like he’s not had opportunity 

I think you have to remember Niges view - just because they have a squad number, it doesn’t mean they’re part of the first team squad. And they’re not - none of the three of them. Dropping Weimann is just nuts, and although I agree Martin needs a rest, the only alternate in those three that won’t lead to a ball coming back at us is Britton - and I trust NPs opinion that he’s a way off currently.

Just now, GrahamC said:

Said on Twitter on Saturday, 10 of them did..

I think with Ty, there’s a pattern. I’ve said it before - you look at his loan spells, starts like a train, gets complacent, gets bombed out. Did the same with us last season, and the worry now is the gap between good performance and complacent is getting smaller, not larger…