Jeremy Corbyn

[Red-Robbo]

I think repeat of 1983 in 2020 is definitely possible. By the way, Corbyn will be older then than Foot was in 1983. True that the Russian/USSR threat has diminished, with paranoia more directed towards Islamic fundamentalists - a subject on which Corbyn will face many questions. A Corbyn leadership might see many left wingers into constituency parties, many of which could be hard left types. Last time, the Labour party had Kinnock to rescue it from itself. Can't yet see someone of that quality in the ranks.

 

BTW: Your point re Michael Howard is or course true, although you should bear in mind that Howard inherited a post-IDS mess of a job that nobody else wanted. Brown became PM.

 

Foot was 67 when he took over as Labour leader, older than Corbyn is now. And more to the point, unlike Corbyn, he didn't exactly radiate any vitality. (Looks which of course, were misleading - he lived to be 96)

 

The point about the Islamic extremist threat is very true, but I mentioned the Cold War paranoia of the early 80s to suggest that Foot's unilateralism was then seen as madness by a fair proportion of Britons then; Corbyn quite rightly says that having one nuclear sub on patrol in the north Atlantic has zero deterence on the types of security threats we face these days. 

[screech]

As an older style Labour voter myself, Corbyn would be a great choice as leader. It's not an election winner though so I expect him to miss out. The wider British public want someone to be different than Tory or Tory lite as the option to vote for. The current choice of politics is utterly bland.

[Aizoon]

The Tory press used up all their anti-left rhetoric on Milliband, who is Tory Lite and well to the right of any pre-Thatcher Tory PM. Difficult for them to find anything different for Corbyn.

[Port Said Red]

As an older style Labour voter myself, Corbyn would be a great choice as leader. It's not an election winner though so I expect him to miss out. The wider British public want someone to be different than Tory or Tory lite as the option to vote for. The current choice of politics is utterly bland.

For the last 20 years the numbers of people voting seems to be dwindling and the common reason given is "they are all the same. whats the point?". Along comes JC and the press cry "no-one will vote for him he's too exteme".  But people aren't voting now because they don't see any difference in the potential leaders! Whats the worst that could happen? They wont vote for a different reason to the one they weren't voting for before, but thiose of us who do vote at least get a proper choice at last.

[Aizoon]

If I was any of the candidates bar Corbyn, I'd be telling Tory B Liar to shut his lying mouth. Every time he opens it, it's another thousand votes for Corbyn...

[PHILINFRANCE]

If I was any of the candidates bar Corbyn, I'd be telling Tory B Liar to shut his lying mouth. Every time he opens it, it's another thousand votes for Corbyn...

 

One can but hope.

[Esmond Million's Bung]

If I was any of the candidates bar Corbyn, I'd be telling Tory B Liar to shut his lying mouth. Every time he opens it, it's another thousand votes for Corbyn...

 

Nobody hates Blair more than I do (just ask Red-Robbo) but he led labour to 3 election victories, so whatever anybody thinks about him he knows how to win elections, but as usual labour then go down the road to being unelectable by coronating one and electing 2 unelectable leaders (supposing Jer gets the nod).

[Aizoon]

Nobody hates Blair more than I do (just ask Red-Robbo) but he led labour to 3 election victories, so whatever anybody thinks about him he knows how to win elections, but as usual labour then go down the road to being unelectable by coronating one and electing 2 unelectable leaders (supposing Jer gets the nod).

 

Just to clarify, EMB, I was referring to votes in the leadership campaign.

[The dastardly red]

 

Nobody hates Blair more than I do (just ask Red-Robbo) but he led labour to 3 election victories, so whatever anybody thinks about him he knows how to win elections, but as usual labour then go down the road to being unelectable by coronating one and electing 2 unelectable leaders (supposing Jer gets the nod).

Blair doesn't know how to win elections anymore

[Esmond Million's Bung]

Blair doesn't know how to win elections anymore

and so does nobody else in the labour party.

 

 

[Guest]

 

Nobody hates Blair more than I do (just ask Red-Robbo) but he led labour to 3 election victories, so whatever anybody thinks about him he knows how to win elections, but as usual labour then go down the road to being unelectable by coronating one and electing 2 unelectable leaders (supposing Jer gets the nod).

In terms of the next election I think there's a real possibility a Corbyn victory could land very much so in Labour's favour. 

It'd be (in my opinion) a huge gamble for the party, but five years during a period of significant economic and social instability could be more than long enough for the public to have had a stomach full of media led Corbyn/Labour bashing and do a complete 180. I think there's a real possibility of this, particularly if Dave and George start/continue (delete as appropriate) to act a bit smug or belittle him. 

Who'd have thought the further distancing from a Prime Minsterial government under Blair would have had such profound and negative results for the Labour Party. I can certainly see why some believe appointing JC whilst returning to prime ministerial politics may be Labour's best bet. 

[BCFC Jimmer]

JC was brilliant on the Labour leadership debate last night.  He comes across so much smarter, more genuine and likable than the other candidates.  I particularly liked the part when he blasted The Sun newspaper.

I said it weeks ago on here, but he will win the leadership contest and I can see him winning over a lot of voters before the next election.

 

[Guest]

JC was brilliant on the Labour leadership debate last night.  He comes across so much smarter, more genuine and likable than the other candidates.  I particularly liked the part when he blasted The Sun newspaper.

I said it weeks ago on here, but he will win the leadership contest and I can see him winning over a lot of voters before the next election.

 

And even if JC doesn't inspire the masses there's always the potential for George and Dave to pull a 'Neil Kinnock' and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

[chipdawg]

JC was brilliant on the Labour leadership debate last night.  He comes across so much smarter, more genuine and likable than the other candidates.  I particularly liked the part when he blasted The Sun newspaper.

I said it weeks ago on here, but he will win the leadership contest and I can see him winning over a lot of voters before the next election.

 

Corbyn's problem is that he'll appeal to the 'left', but not so much to the swing voters in marginal seats who actually decide the fate of an election. I like the bloke a lot and some of what he says appeals, but it makes me laugh when he's painted as a progressive because most of what he promotes is straight out of the 1970s socialism handbook and we know how well socialism in the 1970s went...

For me, the best outcome would be Burnham or Cooper winning narrowly and taking on board a lot of what Corbyn is saying and running with it

[Esmond Million's Bung]

it's just like groundhog day 5 years ago when Ed took over the laborious party.

[BCFC Jimmer]

it's just like groundhog day 5 years ago when Ed took over the laborious party.

That is a cynical way to look at it.

 I am much more excited by Corbyn than I was by Ed.

[Esmond Million's Bung]

That is a cynical way to look at it.

 I am much more excited by Corbyn than I was by Ed.

of course it's cynical, it's UK politics and in particular the labour party, it's good to dream, like the cynics who actually believed Ed could win, I suppose you weren't one of those?.

Still i'm sure Corbyn's views on the Falklands will endear him to the nation and what next Gibraltar?.

and I suspect the first time he has to speak publicly about the next big terrorist outrage as leader, will be a telling moment.

 

 

[Esmond Million's Bung]

Seems to be implying today, that people should be allowed to opt out of the tax portion going to the armed forces, i'm with him all of the way, I will want to opt out the tax system completely, I don't like what any of it is spent on.

 

 

[BCFC Jimmer]

 

and I suspect the first time he has to speak publicly about the next big terrorist outrage as leader, will be a telling moment.

 

 

Why, because he might actually give us a logical and  honest incite into why it happened?

Unlike the patronising crap we get at the moment when terrorism occurs.

E.g Camerons minutes silence for those who died in Tunisia. How about honouring the dead by not selling arms to the countries the terroists come from?! 

[Esmond Million's Bung]

Why, because he will actually give us a logical and  honest incite into why it happened?

Unlike the patronising shit we get at the moment when terrorism occurs.

E.g Camerons minutes silence for those who died in Tunisia. How about honouring the dead by not selling arms to the countries the terroists come from?! 

Because he is unlikely to not even condemn it and more likely to invite them to Parliament.

PS:- Do you honestly believe that there can be any negotiating with Isis?.

 

[BCFC Jimmer]

Because he is unlikely to not even condemn it and more likely to invite them to Parliament.

PS:- Do you honestly believe that there can be any negotiating with Isis?.

I am not hopeful of anyone negotiating with ISIS. But at the same time I am very aware that the reason they have resorted to such radicalisms is that we keep antagonsing them.

Sadly, my prediction is that soon we will have boots on the ground there. There will be another bloody war in the middle east resulting in even more migration to europe in the near future. Add climate change migration to that and you have got a pretty challenging world for our kids to grow up in.

Does anyone in this country really want another war? Our forces are treated appallingly these days, they rely on charity (Help for heroes) when in times of need.

War is not the answer. We have to think more progressively.

 

 

[Esmond Million's Bung]

I am not hopeful of anyone negotiating with ISIS. But at the same time I am very aware that the reason they have resorted to such radicalisms is that we keep antagonsing them.

Sadly, my prediction is that soon we will have boots on the ground there. There will be another bloody war in the middle east resulting in even more migration to europe in the near future. Add climate change migration to that and you have got a pretty challenging world for our kids to grow up in.

Does anyone in this country really want another war? Our forces are treated appallingly these days, they rely on charity (Help for heroes) when in times of need.

War is not the answer. We have to think more progressively.

 

 

Radicalisms my arse, they are barbaric sub humans, who each day seem to come up with an even more sickening way than the day before to get their perverted kicks from disposing of anybody that they don't like on that particular day and for any reason whatsoever.

i'm glad you mentioned 'our forces' because Jez doesn't actually seem to see them as 'our forces', he appears to have no time for them whatsoever, so if he did gain power most of 'our forces' will probably be on the scrapheap and discarded even quicker than they are these days.

Well here's your chance to be more progressive, what's your idea to bring the wonderful Isis to become normal world citizens?.

 

[CyderInACan]

it's just like groundhog day 5 years ago when Ed took over the laborious party.

Groundhog Day is yesterday over and over again isn't it? 

[The Gasbuster]

I am not hopeful of anyone negotiating with ISIS. But at the same time I am very aware that the reason they have resorted to such radicalisms is that we keep antagonsing them.

Sadly, my prediction is that soon we will have boots on the ground there. There will be another bloody war in the middle east resulting in even more migration to europe in the near future. Add climate change migration to that and you have got a pretty challenging world for our kids to grow up in.

Does anyone in this country really want another war? Our forces are treated appallingly these days, they rely on charity (Help for heroes) when in times of need.

War is not the answer. We have to think more progressively.

 

 

I would like to nominate Corbyn for this job, oh and he can take his nice mate Galloway with him.

These I.S. animals thought nothing of murdering aid workers; they wouldn't think twice about killing those two idiots (or anybody else sent to "negotiate" with them).

Doubtful that C&G would come back alive - job done !

 

[Esmond Million's Bung]

Groundhog Day is yesterday over and over again isn't it? 

Yes every day for 5 years and soon every day for another 5 days.

The best bit is when all of the labour numpties all get behind him with a great show of support, just like they did with Ed.

That's what I call honest politics.

 

[The Gasbuster]

I am not hopeful of anyone negotiating with ISIS. But at the same time I am very aware that the reason they have resorted to such radicalisms is that we keep antagonsing them.

Sadly, my prediction is that soon we will have boots on the ground there. There will be another bloody war in the middle east resulting in even more migration to europe in the near future. Add climate change migration to that and you have got a pretty challenging world for our kids to grow up in.

Does anyone in this country really want another war? Our forces are treated appallingly these days, they rely on charity (Help for heroes) when in times of need.

War is not the answer. We have to think more progressively.

 

 

What exactly was it that "antagonised" Bin Laden for him to cause 9/11, plus previous attacks (Kenya, U.S.S. Cole) ?

The C.I.A. assisted him in getting the commies out of Afghanistan. He then turned on the U.S., despite the assistance he received.

Is it any surprise that the U.S. retaliated ?

To suggest that these conflicts are purely down to ourselves is pure folly.

And as for Corbyn claiming Bin Laden's death to be a "tragedy", well that is just sickening.

70 innocent Brits died on 9/11, has he forgotten that ?

[The Gasbuster]

I am not hopeful of anyone negotiating with ISIS. But at the same time I am very aware that the reason they have resorted to such radicalisms is that we keep antagonsing them.

Sadly, my prediction is that soon we will have boots on the ground there. There will be another bloody war in the middle east resulting in even more migration to europe in the near future. Add climate change migration to that and you have got a pretty challenging world for our kids to grow up in.

Does anyone in this country really want another war? Our forces are treated appallingly these days, they rely on charity (Help for heroes) when in times of need.

War is not the answer. We have to think more progressively.

 

 

I don't think anybody ever WANTS a war my friend, but sometimes the options are limited.

The U.K. government of the late 1930's did everything it could to avoid war. The result was that when war did occur, our position was weakened due to the delaying process.

[The Gasbuster]

Why, because he might actually give us a logical and  honest incite into why it happened?

Unlike the patronising crap we get at the moment when terrorism occurs.

E.g Camerons minutes silence for those who died in Tunisia. How about honouring the dead by not selling arms to the countries the terrorists come from?! 

The chosen weapon of these terrorists  is the AK47 (Mumbai, Nairobi, Paris, Sousse etc...).

Since when have we been assembling and supplying Kalashnikovs to anybody ? 

[The Gasbuster]

Is Corbyn now going to ask for an (expensive) enquiry into the deaths of those Cardiff based I.S. thugs ?

Probably !

[Barrs Court Red]

I am not hopeful of anyone negotiating with ISIS. But at the same time I am very aware that the reason they have resorted to such radicalisms is that we keep antagonsing them.

Sadly, my prediction is that soon we will have boots on the ground there. There will be another bloody war in the middle east resulting in even more migration to europe in the near future. Add climate change migration to that and you have got a pretty challenging world for our kids to grow up in.

Does anyone in this country really want another war? Our forces are treated appallingly these days, they rely on charity (Help for heroes) when in times of need.

War is not the answer. We have to think more progressively.

 

 

What antagonisms did the Kurds, Druze or Yazidis make?