formerly known as ivan Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 6 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: It’s always stats with you isn’t it! Just watch the game with your eyes Oh dear! You say watch the game with your eyes yet can’t see what’s right in front of you. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 2 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: Hull and Watford 100% definitely plus Coventry maybe Ipswich, West Brom and Middlesbrough just looking at clubs above us would all love Max as their number one. He is not the problem. Well there are 4 clubs there that could sign him if they wanted so let’s see the offers for him in the summer if your correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 5 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: Oh dear! You say watch the game with your eyes yet can’t see what’s right in front of you. It’s an opinion isn’t it. We all see what is in front of us differently. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 2 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: It’s an opinion isn’t it. We all see what is in front of us differently. Valid, we will agree on that at least Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negan Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 31 minutes ago, BCFCGav said: Good Championship keeper that had a stinker. At what point does saying this get exhausting? He’s a number 2 at best. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLRed Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 Reckon he’s cost us more points than he has won us. We will never get promoted with him as No.1 IMO. Too prone to mistakes or simply that he doesn’t have the ability to do the correct thing all the time that will cost us. Perfect example tonight of simply palming the ball in to the 6 yard box instead of away from goal. Technically was very poor which enabled the mistake. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 51 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Just judge him over the season and then no need to give him a tough ride tonight. Just accept that every keeper makes the odd mistake. Or…. evaluate performance in each game, comment on that and also hold an overall opinion. Tonight he cost us with a bad error for their equaliser. Last week he was decent v Forest etc Overall, he’s a decent enough Champ keeper. (all imho) 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLRed Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 7 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Overall, he’s a decent enough Champ keeper As a No.2. If we want to get promotion we need to improve on him. That sum of all parts business. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 5 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Or…. evaluate performance in each game, comment on that and also hold an overall opinion. Tonight he cost us with a bad error for their equaliser. Last week he was decent v Forest etc Overall, he’s a decent enough Champ keeper. (all imho) Well said. Max is a decent Championship stopper. Manning must ensure that the team take collective responsibility for lapses in concentration, which nullify their progress from winning positions. Unfortunately when our keeper makes a mistake, he's the last line in defence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shauntaylor85 Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 4 minutes ago, BLRed said: As a No.2. If we want to get promotion we need to improve on him. That sum of all parts business. Agreed. At present we are an inconsistent mid table side because of players like Max, Bell, Mehmeti, Cornick, Williams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChubStixx Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 17 minutes ago, Shauntaylor85 said: Agreed. At present we are an inconsistent mid table side because of players like Max, Bell, Mehmeti, Cornick, Williams I'll stop short of calling out names, but your spot on in my opinion. We're reliant on too many players who aren't good enough. That's what makes me quietly optimistic that we're not too far off it. Invest in their replacements (or some of) and we'll be up there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 Looking back at their 1st goal I think he is partially to blame too. His positioning was well off. There was no need for him to be that far over to the left of his goal as at that point the angle to score on that side had been closed off. He needed to be more central and if he was as there wasn't much pace on the shot he could have tipped it wide. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 6 hours ago, Shauntaylor85 said: Agreed. At present we are an inconsistent mid table side because of players like Max, Bell, Mehmeti, Cornick, Williams Williams? I trust you’re taking the piss? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 What clearly doesn’t help on threads like this is whenever Max makes a decent save (and it happens on in game threads) you get people saying “can’t believe people don’t rate Max” and then when he makes an error it’s “Max is crap”. Again. He’s an average mid table keeper at this level. Hes 27 - I’m pretty sure he’s not going to improve or regress markedly in the next 2-3 years. He’s neither the messiah or a naughty boy - he’s just average overall, fine for where we are, and will need to be improved on if we are to progress. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon bristol Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 17 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: Williams? I trust you’re taking the piss? Hes had a good month or 2, but overall, it would be hard to say hes been an impressive signing for us. If he keeps his form up for the rest of the season, then consider another year, tgh is more naturally gifted in my view. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Acton Red Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 4 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said: Looking back at their 1st goal I think he is partially to blame too. His positioning was well off. There was no need for him to be that far over to the left of his goal as at that point the angle to score on that side had been closed off. He needed to be more central and if he was as there wasn't much pace on the shot he could have tipped it wide. I thin your right. He was to blame for first goal too. The shot was pretty weak tbh, he had time to dive and save that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 All goalkeepers make errors as do outfield player but obviously when the keeper messes up it’s more likely to lead to conceding - as with Max last night - some of us will remember Bentley letting one thru his hands in front of SS not so long ago - it happens. Overall Max is a decent Championship keeper who’s kept us in games at times over his tenure as number 1 No doubt he’s feeling responsible for not winning the game. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transfer reader Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 Max isn't the weak link for us, but it's an area we will need to improve if we want promotion. He excels at reflex saves, but the rest of his game isnt exceptional and he's prone to errors like last night. What is odd is the fan club who rate him far beyond his ability and consider any due criticism from mistakes like last night's to be unacceptable. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 8 minutes ago, transfer reader said: Max isn't the weak link for us, but it's an area we will need to improve if we want promotion. He excels at reflex saves, but the rest of his game isnt exceptional and he's prone to errors like last night. What is odd is the fan club who rate him far beyond his ability and consider any due criticism from mistakes like last night's to be unacceptable. I agree. As others pointed out many didn't rate him at all and didn't think he'd be good enough for us - myself included, and now want to validate that by hounding every mistake. I'm happy to just admit I was wrong! However there are also a group who personally back some players to the degree that they then desperately need them to succeed. Morrell was another one. They do the opposite and talk him up relentlessly. Imo he'd a mid Champ keeper, and I'm pleased I was wrong that he was that standard! He's gone from near the top of my "need replacing" list to somewhere in the middle. At some point, but not a priority at the moment. He's pretty representative of where we are as a team imo, was/is cheap, and has been an integral part of what's been a very solid defence this year. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 8 hours ago, Davefevs said: Or…. evaluate performance in each game, comment on that and also hold an overall opinion. Tonight he cost us with a bad error for their equaliser. Last week he was decent v Forest etc Overall, he’s a decent enough Champ keeper. (all imho) That’s fair and IMO - based on the board saying PL is the goal and we have a top-end squad - is that we need someone more solid than Max if we are to achieve that target. Nothing against Max; he’s ideal for a team treading water in the second tier, which is exactly what we are. But if he wants to go higher in the game, he needs to cut out those gaffes like last night. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDarwall Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 1 hour ago, Silvio Dante said: What clearly doesn’t help on threads like this is whenever Max makes a decent save (and it happens on in game threads) you get people saying “can’t believe people don’t rate Max” and then when he makes an error it’s “Max is crap”. Replace the name "Max" with virtually any other player in the squad & you're describing a lot of the forum content really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 He's the least of our worries. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 5 minutes ago, IAmNick said: However there are also a group who personally back some players to the degree that they then desperately need them to succeed. Morrell was another one. Th I think most have favs and some they just don't take too it's natural IMO. Cornick , Mehmeti & Max and other come in for over the top praise and criticism at times. I've defended Max over the last season or two , I think he was better for the team than Bentley. But I can see when he drops a bollock too. The last month or so he has been so much quicker to act as a sweeper, which is fine but it's not natural to him. It cost us at Preston and there was one last night too. Vyner chasing back , looked like he could nod it back but Max had charged out, didn't cost us so quickly forgotten , but to me a worry. The first goal looks crap , but comes through a crowd , being harsh you could maybe question his positioning but I don't think he did too much wrong. The second is bad , it's almost too close to him to push it wide and so he surely has to try and catch it , it wasn't that hard a shot. Because it did cost us a goal, and being late on it cost points , it adds weight to the he's not good enough argument . I would like to know who we could bring in, and how we pay for a top end Championship keeper. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 Much a prefer a steady Eddie, someone you know will give you 7 or 8 out of 10 every week. That was Maenpaa. O'Leary has been excellent in our cup ties, now calamitous. Unfortunately for him, the die is cast - he could have a dozen good games in a row but never shake the feeling that a cock up is just round the corner. So it's a No from me. On balance. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cidre Monita Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 I’ve said for a long time he’s not good enough at this level although to be fair to him he has improved this season. He has technical flaws in his game still which is costing us a lot of points and physically still looks like a teenager to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 1 minute ago, 1960maaan said: I think most have favs and some they just don't take too it's natural IMO. Cornick , Mehmeti & Max and other come in for over the top praise and criticism at times. I've defended Max over the last season or two , I think he was better for the team than Bentley. But I can see when he drops a bollock too. The last month or so he has been so much quicker to act as a sweeper, which is fine but it's not natural to him. It cost us at Preston and there was one last night too. Vyner chasing back , looked like he could nod it back but Max had charged out, didn't cost us so quickly forgotten , but to me a worry. The first goal looks crap , but comes through a crowd , being harsh you could maybe question his positioning but I don't think he did too much wrong. The second is bad , it's almost too close to him to push it wide and so he surely has to try and catch it , it wasn't that hard a shot. Because it did cost us a goal, and being late on it cost points , it adds weight to the he's not good enough argument . I would like to know who we could bring in, and how we pay for a top end Championship keeper. Sweeping is not natural. It is instruction. O'learys interventions have increased due to instruction. In regards to your last line the keepers qualities should meet the team intent. Liam Manning has stated he wants to dominate possession. How does the keepers qualities meet that intent and principle? Max O'leary passing accuracy is amongst the worst in the division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingHillRed Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 1 hour ago, Silvio Dante said: What clearly doesn’t help on threads like this is whenever Max makes a decent save (and it happens on in game threads) you get people saying “can’t believe people don’t rate Max” and then when he makes an error it’s “Max is crap”. Again. He’s an average mid table keeper at this level. Hes 27 - I’m pretty sure he’s not going to improve or regress markedly in the next 2-3 years. He’s neither the messiah or a naughty boy - he’s just average overall, fine for where we are, and will need to be improved on if we are to progress. Apart the 'naughty boy' bit which feels rather saucy - spot on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneTeamInBristol Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 He's a decent mid level Championship keeper, nothing more. Some games he'll win us points, some games he'll lose us points. Would be very surprised if any top half club would have him other what they currently have. But there's 4/5 other positions we need to improve the squad in first over the GK position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 37 minutes ago, IAmNick said: I agree. As others pointed out many didn't rate him at all and didn't think he'd be good enough for us - myself included, and now want to validate that by hounding every mistake. I'm happy to just admit I was wrong! However there are also a group who personally back some players to the degree that they then desperately need them to succeed. Morrell was another one. They do the opposite and talk him up relentlessly. Imo he'd a mid Champ keeper, and I'm pleased I was wrong that he was that standard! He's gone from near the top of my "need replacing" list to somewhere in the middle. At some point, but not a priority at the moment. He's pretty representative of where we are as a team imo, was/is cheap, and has been an integral part of what's been a very solid defence this year. Your balanced opinion is not welcome on otib. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 I think we can now all agree that Bentley was better. More expensive, definitely. But better. As others have said, Max is alright, but I feel there could well be better out there who are achievable. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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