Ivorguy Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 What do people think? I thought it was rather mealy mouthed. Should show more self awareness. Sadly I feel he has a long way to go to be a head coach of atop Championship side, and I had really hoped he was learning fast, re tactics and man management. Now, as I say, a way to goon both 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP Hampton Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 Personally I think he did recognise at least that they didn’t play well enough. He said forget about tactics, we didn’t get the basics right, but he didn’t appear to have any self awareness of possible poor sub decisions or lack of adaptability in approach to play. Once again there didn’t seem to be a pan B. Subs also aren’t always automatically the answer. He knew how QPR would play he didn’t underestimate them, it just felt like he didn’t change anything, when it was obvious what we were doing wasn’t working. And this has been a criticism of him in other games. Mebude Little Boy Lost. i think we actually missed Mehmeti after he was subbed, cos he was at least creating something. And to not use Twine but bring on Cornick and Mebude when the thing we were missing was any creativity. No one was being brave or taking initiative. I’d struggle to call a MOTM tbh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MarcusX Posted February 17 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 17 Talking about not have the time to work on it again. How often do they actually train? Anyone would think he’s managing a part time team the way he talks about training sometimes. 37 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 3 minutes ago, MarcusX said: Talking about not have the time to work on it again. How often do they actually train? Anyone would think he’s managing a part time team the way he talks about training sometimes. Nige managed ok, working part-time (well, Saturday afternuns) 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich_s Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 He's doing OK. Having media skills and blowing smoke up fans arses post match won't win games. Too early for me to judge him really. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP Hampton Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 5 minutes ago, MarcusX said: Talking about not have the time to work on it again. How often do they actually train? Anyone would think he’s managing a part time team the way he talks about training sometimes. Yes, we thought that was strange mentioning a lack of time again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP Hampton Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 1 minute ago, Rich_s said: He's doing OK. Having media skills and blowing smoke up fans arses post match won't win games. Too early for me to judge him really. Not sure the media skills etc are what fans are actually interested in. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 4 minutes ago, MarcusX said: Talking about not have the time to work on it again. How often do they actually train? Anyone would think he’s managing a part time team the way he talks about training sometimes. Yeah that annoyed me. Particularly after he said “I’m not going to make excuses” and then made that excuse. I’ll say again - we will play 52 games this season. Teams at our level will expect to navigate 2 cup games a season on average so play an average of 50 games (46 league, 4 cup). This is the schedule. It’s not unusual. If he can’t manage or coach in this schedule which is 4 months thus far, then he’s going to struggle every season 8 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted February 17 Author Report Share Posted February 17 Just now, JP Hampton said: Not sure the media skills etc are what fans are actually interested in. Correct. But results are 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC31 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 (edited) I am a manning fan but I wasn't impressed with that post match interview, seemed very soft to me just lost to a relegation side at home who had a day less rest then us after they played Wednesday and he's talking about giving the players a nice lovely break. Qpr totally had our number today its obvious what you do against us is form that low block and get us on the transition I do think we need better personnel but he can't find an answer or plan B for sides that do that against us. Edited February 17 by BCFC31 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP Hampton Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 3 minutes ago, Ivorguy said: Correct. But results are That was my inference. I was responding to Rich s specifically. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollsRoyce Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 Manning needs a pre-season, I think that is reasonable. To have a proper time to set up his ideas. However, I find it quite tiresome when he keeps mentioning this lack of time with the players. Did he mention that in his interview, when Tins was explaining that his task this year was to get us into the top 6? Should we have set out to lose the FA cup game so we could train more and focus on the league? 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 3 minutes ago, BCFC31 said: I am a manning fan but I wasn't impressed with that post match interview, seemed very soft to me just lost to a relegation side at home who had a day less rest then us after they played Wednesday and he's talking about giving the players a nice lovely break. Can’t do that. Might de-condition them!! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 21 minutes ago, JP Hampton said: Personally I think he did recognise at least that they didn’t play well enough. He said forget about tactics, we didn’t get the basics right, but he didn’t appear to have any self awareness of possible poor sub decisions or lack of adaptability in approach to play. Once again there didn’t seem to be a pan B. Subs also aren’t always automatically the answer. He knew how QPR would play he didn’t underestimate them, it just felt like he didn’t change anything, when it was obvious what we were doing wasn’t working. And this has been a criticism of him in other games. Mebude Little Boy Lost. i think we actually missed Mehmeti after he was subbed, cos he was at least creating something. And to not use Twine but bring on Cornick and Mebude when the thing we were missing was any creativity. No one was being brave or taking initiative. I’d struggle to call a MOTM tbh. Struggle. MOTM was OLeary by a country mile! 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 3 minutes ago, RollsRoyce said: Manning needs a pre-season, I think that is reasonable. To have a proper time to set up his ideas. However, I find it quite tiresome when he keeps mentioning this lack of time with the players. Did he mention that in his interview, when Tins was explaining that his task this year was to get us into the top 6? Should we have set out to lose the FA cup game so we could train more and focus on the league? **Taps the sign** Liams best season was after taking over MK Dons in August (so no pre season). With a schedule of more games than we have (which belies his schedule point). On pre seasons, he’s 1-1 for good or poor in performance thereafter. He might do exceptionally post a pre season - he might do dreadfully. What needs to be said whenever this point is made that it’s in no way a sure thing based on record to date. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 14 minutes ago, MarcusX said: Talking about not have the time to work on it again. How often do they actually train? Anyone would think he’s managing a part time team the way he talks about training sometimes. He's averaged a game every 4.5 days. Build in travel and recovery days and I guess it's an average of about 3 days between matches. I don't really know what you can get done in that kind of time? When you think about doing classroom tactics sessions, on grass sessions, gym, recovery, and other sessions. Not sure, guess it's not ideal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 10 minutes ago, JP Hampton said: Yes, we thought that was strange mentioning a lack of time again! It's what we football experts call an excuse. More seriously, if you don't have much coaching time stick to the style the players are most used to, aggressive and intense. Don't tell them to control possession if it leads to pedestrian football that the opposition can handle comfortably. 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 (edited) 10 minutes ago, RollsRoyce said: Manning needs a pre-season, I think that is reasonable. To have a proper time to set up his ideas. However, I find it quite tiresome when he keeps mentioning this lack of time with the players. Did he mention that in his interview, when Tins was explaining that his task this year was to get us into the top 6? Should we have set out to lose the FA cup game so we could train more and focus on the league? It’s like listening to a boring version of LJ bullshit bingo making excuses for rubbish, however at least he’s discovered the tombola ! Progress we can cling to! Edited February 17 by REDOXO 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP Hampton Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 1 minute ago, chinapig said: It's what we football experts call an excuse. More seriously, if you don't have much coaching time stick to the style the players are most used to, aggressive and intense. Don't tell them to control possession if it leads to pedestrian football that the opposition can handle comfortably. Yes possession football that’s taking all the creativity out of players at the same time. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 1 minute ago, ExiledAjax said: He's averaged a game every 4.5 days. Build in travel and recovery days and I guess it's an average of about 3 days between matches. I don't really know what you can get done in that kind of time? When you think about doing classroom tactics sessions, on grass sessions, gym, recovery, and other sessions. Not sure, guess it's not ideal. Not ideal but it is the job. I find it a bit frustrating how some posters seem to write the manager off after every defeat but the reality is that the number of games is what happens when you manage a team at this level. He doesn’t have to like that but he does need to adapt to it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP Hampton Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 7 minutes ago, REDOXO said: Struggle. MOTM was OLeary by a country mile! Thank you. Forgot about good old Max! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 This training excuse is ******* shit. QPR have won one less game than us since we played them and he inherited a better quad of players. It’s not good enough. 12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 1 minute ago, JP Hampton said: Yes possession football that’s taking all the creativity out of players at the same time. Possession football. Yup. But in order to play possession football you do have to possess it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 1 minute ago, LondonBristolian said: Not ideal but it is the job. I find it a bit frustrating how some posters seem to write the manager off after every defeat but the reality is that the number of games is what happens when you manage a team at this level. He doesn’t have to like that but he does need to adapt to it. Yep - the schedule is the schedule. Over his four months there hasn’t been anything markedly unusual in the number of games we’ve had, and as you say, it may not be ideal but it’s definitely not something that can or should be used as an excuse. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 6 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: He's averaged a game every 4.5 days. Build in travel and recovery days and I guess it's an average of about 3 days between matches. I don't really know what you can get done in that kind of time? When you think about doing classroom tactics sessions, on grass sessions, gym, recovery, and other sessions. Not sure, guess it's not ideal. Other managers and teams seem to cope OK. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP Hampton Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 2 minutes ago, REDOXO said: Possession football. Yup. But in order to play possession football you do have to possess it. Yeah although we had more than QPR and we still couldn’t do anything with it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 44 minutes ago, Ivorguy said: What do people think? I thought it was rather mealy mouthed. Should show more self awareness. Sadly I feel he has a long way to go to be a head coach of atop Championship side, and I had really hoped he was learning fast, re tactics and man management. Now, as I say, a way to goon both Said it before and I will say it again - he has done absolutely nothing in the game to suggest he will take us forward. And he has shown very little since coming in either Another Lee Johnson. A yes man who is learning on he job 13 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post spudski Posted February 17 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 17 He pointed out the very obvious. That we didn't move the ball quick enough, and that it was easy for QPR to position themselves and defend anything with ease. We seem a one trick pony...reliant on moving the ball quickly from side to side, using width and speed on the flanks, and totally reliant on everything offensively coming from wide. Mainly crosses into the box. It looks nice when done well...but it shows how easy it is to defend and play against when done ' lethargically '. We looked tired, slow, leaden of foot, unbalanced, and devoid of proper movement to create passing opportunities, especially in the last two thirds. A shambles performance devoid of ideas on how to change things. Poor personal performances, poor selection imo, and poor tactical creativity. QPR are one of the worst sides in the division. We looked even worse today. 17 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 Just now, JP Hampton said: Yeah although we had more than QPR and we still couldn’t do anything with it. Our passing was awful all afternoon almost every time we tried playing it forward we gave it straight to one of their players. I’m sure the stats show we had the ball more than them, but never where it was going to hurt. It will be interesting to see forward possession stats. @Davefevs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 21 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: Yeah that annoyed me. Particularly after he said “I’m not going to make excuses” and then made that excuse. I’ll say again - we will play 52 games this season. Teams at our level will expect to navigate 2 cup games a season on average so play an average of 50 games (46 league, 4 cup). This is the schedule. It’s not unusual. If he can’t manage or coach in this schedule which is 4 months thus far, then he’s going to struggle every season Very strong bench (for us) too. "Cup finals" where we get stuck in and hit better teams on the break are great but you actually need to know how to beat worse teams too, and thats not by playing in front of them at 5 mph and waiting for their massed ranks to part like the ref sea. Players looked fit enough imo just undercooked = overcoached. A bit LJ in the self awareness area minus the stellar ego to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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