Season Ticket Renewal!

[exAtyeoMax]

14 hours ago, eardun said:

The focus is on the South Stand. They are hopping that the following works:

1. Higher % price increase in the SS v other stands (to discourage purchase if not going to use it).

2. Even higher price increase for kids in the SS to discourage unused kids’ tickets there (can move to cheaper family stand).

3. No new season tickets in SS. 

4. All of the above to free up tickets for POTD fans.

Time will tell if that will work. Plus if the TV deal moves a lot of kick off times around, there may be more season tickets holders who can’t attend which may negate some of the above.

 

 

are they trying to drive STHs out in anticipation of installing rail seating in the near future?

[Sir Geoff]

13 hours ago, eardun said:

It will be interesting to see how many POTD tickets are available for sale in the SS for the first match of the season - I presume that will be the first time we will know how many SS ticket holders have not renewed/have moved to the family stand.

Not sure the first march will be a great barometer. Early August, people still on holiday, match will be live on Sky.

I guess the club could boost numbers by making it a Mates Rates game.

[1960maaan]

17 hours ago, Cov 77 said:

I don’t think they want to sell anything like 18k if previous utterings are anything to go by, I think nearer 15k tops , whatever their reasoning . 
 

To be fair I think fans groups have also pushed the changes regarding the south stand as a way to improve the atmosphere, to many cheap kids tickets not always attending for whatever reason leaving big gaps . 

 

17 hours ago, eardun said:

Yes Gavin Marshall said they want to increase sales to just over 15k on the FBC podcast. 

I will have to go and listen again as I took it to mean they wanted to sell more than last year , to get over 15k at the start of the season . I didn't think they wanted to limit it to just over 15k

They have to hold a certain % back for PotD , but you would think that having a guaranteed 18k every week would be preferable , then you would be near sell out every game if the PotD interest kept up. 

 

[phantom]

23 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said:

are they trying to drive STHs out in anticipation of installing rail seating in the near future?

Changes were purely done as a result of the high numbers buying seats and not using them, the only way to do that was to move the family seats

Not 2+2=5 here

My personal opinion is that in a years time they will be back on sale as normal again

[exAtyeoMax]

33 minutes ago, phantom said:

Changes were purely done as a result of the high numbers buying seats and not using them, the only way to do that was to move the family seats

Not 2+2=5 here

My personal opinion is that in a years time they will be back on sale as normal again

I suppose it depends how many families have moved to the L? 

[Cov 77]

2 hours ago, 1960maaan said:

 

I will have to go and listen again as I took it to mean they wanted to sell more than last year , to get over 15k at the start of the season . I didn't think they wanted to limit it to just over 15k

They have to hold a certain % back for PotD , but you would think that having a guaranteed 18k every week would be preferable , then you would be near sell out every game if the PotD interest kept up. 

 

I get it but not just us many clubs leave a lot of room , more than we would think sensible for POTD , make more money ? 
Don’t agree with it but heard this lower figure spoken about before 

[eardun]

2 hours ago, Sir Geoff said:

Not sure the first march will be a great barometer. Early August, people still on holiday, match will be live on Sky.

I guess the club could boost numbers by making it a Mates Rates game.

No I’m not referring to how it looks in the ground. I mean by looking at how many POTD tickets go on sale online for the first match - that’s when we’ll see how many non season ticket holder seats are available in the SS.

Edited April 26 by eardun

[Davefevs]

4 minutes ago, eardun said:

No I’m not referring to how it looks in the ground. I mean by looking at how many POTD tickets go on sale online for the first match - that’s when we’ll see how many non season ticket holder seats are available in the SS.

@IAmNick please can you run your script when our first game goes on sale please.  Save everyone counting seats on the webpage! Ta!

[IAmNick]

35 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

@IAmNick please can you run your script when our first game goes on sale please.  Save everyone counting seats on the webpage! Ta!

I've been running it regularly so you can have a graph if you really want...!

Currently it thinks there are 9665 seats sold, BUT as the South Stand shows 100% sold, I've excluded any block where that's the case - so that's excluding the south stand, boxes, and some other areas (like the A ones and S82). I reckon given the timing of the tweet about 12k sold there are probably around 2.5k season tickets in the South Stand. I can work that out properly on the first home game I think!

Interestingly this morning when they went on general sale, the number of seats sold went from 9834 to 9573 - I don't know why that'd be. At like 10pm last night it was showing that 9834 sold (again, excluding the south stand).

If people want a current per block breakdown to add up themselves:

name	capacity	free	sold	% full
A1	18	0	18	100.0
A10	18	0	18	100.0
A11	18	0	18	100.0
A12	20	0	20	100.0
A13	20	0	20	100.0
A2	18	0	18	100.0
A3	22	0	22	100.0
A4	38	0	38	100.0
A5	10	0	10	100.0
A6	10	0	10	100.0
A7	38	0	38	100.0
A8	58	0	58	100.0
A9	40	0	40	100.0
Box 1	12	0	12	100.0
Box 10	12	0	12	100.0
Box 11	12	0	12	100.0
Box 12	12	0	12	100.0
Box 13	12	0	12	100.0
Box 14	12	0	12	100.0
Box 15	12	0	12	100.0
Box 16	12	0	12	100.0
Box 17	12	0	12	100.0
Box 18	12	0	12	100.0
Box 2	12	0	12	100.0
Box 3	12	0	12	100.0
Box 4	12	0	12	100.0
Box 5	12	0	12	100.0
Box 6	12	0	12	100.0
Box 7	12	0	12	100.0
Box 8	12	0	12	100.0
Box 9	12	0	12	100.0
Directors Box	58	0	58	100.0
E28	737	131	606	82.2
E29	947	163	784	82.8
E30	1084	443	641	59.1
E31	1055	315	740	70.1
E32	1084	523	561	51.8
E33	945	395	550	58.2
E34	787	538	249	31.6
N35	648	0	648	100.0
N36	490	0	490	100.0
N37	673	0	673	100.0
N38	673	0	673	100.0
N39	531	0	531	100.0
N40	454	0	454	100.0
N41	391	0	391	100.0
S18	640	0	640	100.0
S19	551	0	551	100.0
S20	729	0	729	100.0
S21	841	0	841	100.0
S22	842	0	842	100.0
S23	841	0	841	100.0
S24	729	0	729	100.0
S25	553	0	553	100.0
S26	486	0	486	100.0
S27	129	0	129	100.0
W1	359	261	98	27.3
W10	188	178	10	5.3
W11	629	228	401	63.8
W12	590	205	385	65.3
W13	715	139	576	80.6
W14	566	0	566	100.0
W15	716	103	613	85.6
W16	651	146	505	77.6
W17	630	163	467	74.1
W2	634	319	315	49.7
W3	520	69	451	86.7
W4	445	261	184	41.3
W5	422	220	202	47.9
W6	445	247	198	44.5
W7	514	64	450	87.5
W8	637	132	505	79.3
W9	359	185	174	48.5

Edited April 26 by IAmNick

[Scrumpy Dziek]

And that shows how many seats can be booked in the Atyeo, which is under 4000.

Where did the often quoted 4200 come from? Or have seats been removed?

[REDOXO]

I am so confused! 
 

How many season tickets have actually been sold to supporters?

How is withholding seats in the South Stand advantageous to the football club?

Am I off base here, but are the club threatening/implying they will limit sales of season tickets at a relatively low level? 
 

All help appreciated!

[Davefevs]

 @Iamaredhead

[Sleepy1968]

10 minutes ago, REDOXO said:

I am so confused! 
 

How many season tickets have actually been sold to supporters?

How is withholding seats in the South Stand advantageous to the football club?

Am I off base here, but are the club threatening/implying they will limit sales of season tickets at a relatively low level? 
 

All help appreciated!

1. 12k+

2. Two reasons: They are trying to increase bums on seats, seeing as the South Stand attendances have been hugely under capacity for many games, with all tickets sold to ST holders (as in Sold Out). Also gives us cheaper POTD alternative.

3. I think some people got the wrong end of the stick. Ain't no way the Club would limit ST sales below the proscribed limit (there have to be a certain percent of POTD tickets available.)

Waits for people to disagree ...

 

Edited April 26 by Sleepy1968
clarification

[Mr Popodopolous]

49 minutes ago, Scrumpy Dziek said:

And that shows how many seats can be booked in the Atyeo, which is under 4000.

Where did the often quoted 4200 come from? Or have seats been removed?

Thjs s a bit of a hobbyhorse of mine.

*I recall the Atyeo wheb it was a Home Only stand held 4,200. I will try and find it.

*That by @IAmNick adds up to 3,900.

*However @JerrySLO said 3,414 said the max ae permitted by the SAG for football.

That latter point I have a serious issue with, anywhere between 10-20% of capacity has been vanished away into thin air.  Or I should say there is a serious transparency issue there IMO. That is 1.5-3% of stadium capacity too

*How was the decision arose at?

*Who made it?

*What was the specific rationale?

*Who were the relevant Officers in respect of it?

Are wholly valid questions I would say.

This bit is from a thread during the redevelopment.

Edited April 26 by Mr Popodopolous

[Mr Popodopolous]

When we consider that the stand is separate from the other 3, a cloak and dagger cut of anything up to 800 seats...not acceptable.

Certainly aligned with the lack of transparency or official announcement. Relative to other Stadia and their segregation by comparison even more so.

Edited April 26 by Mr Popodopolous

[IAmNick]

21 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Thjs s a bit of a hobbyhorse of mine.

*I recall the Atyeo wheb it was a Home Only stand held 4,200. I will try and find it.

*That by @IAmNick adds up to 3,900.

*However @JerrySLO said 3,414 said the max ae permitted by the SAG for football.

That latter point I have a serious issue with, anywhere between 10-20% of capacity has been vanished away into thin air.  Or I should say there is a serious transparency issue there IMO. That is 1.5-3% of stadium capacity too

*How was the decision arose at?

*Who made it?

*What was the specific rationale?

*Who were the relevant Officers in respect of it?

Are wholly valid questions I would say.

This bit is from a thread during the redevelopment.

Could it be things like the little camera gantry which is permanently up at the back now for example - probably takes up a fair few seats. Might be in new numbers, not in old ones.

Maybe some counts include the accessible spaces down near the front, as part of the stand, some consider them separately?

Just ideas - isn't necessarily suspicious.

[REDOXO]

41 minutes ago, Sleepy1968 said:

1. 12k+

2. Two reasons: They are trying to increase bums on seats, seeing as the South Stand attendances have been hugely under capacity for many games, with all tickets sold to ST holders (as in Sold Out). Also gives us cheaper POTD alternative.

3. I think some people got the wrong end of the stick. Ain't no way the Club would limit ST sales below the proscribed limit (there have to be a certain percent of POTD tickets available.)

Waits for people to disagree ...

 

Thanks. Very helpful! Do we know what the% POTD is?

[Davefevs]

Based on Nick’s handiwork here is the capacity:

I’m sure some of the Atyeo is reduced down for whatever reasons.

I ended up with this based on Nick’s rationale (remove if 100% full).

So if you add 2.5k(ish) in SS, that ought to leave a bit number of POTD for SS.

[Mr Popodopolous]

37 minutes ago, IAmNick said:

Could it be things like the little camera gantry which is permanently up at the back now for example - probably takes up a fair few seats. Might be in new numbers, not in old ones.

Maybe some counts include the accessible spaces down near the front, as part of the stand, some consider them separately?

Just ideas - isn't necessarily suspicious.

Fair points, perhaps yeah.

If some of this changed post redevelopment, then it could account for the change in capacity but it seems to have been designated by the Safety Advisory Group.

[mozo]

Just now, Davefevs said:

Based on Nick’s handiwork here is the capacity:

I’m sure some of the Atyeo is reduced down for whatever reasons.

I ended up with this based on Nick’s rationale (remove if 100% full).

So if you add 2.5k(ish) in SS, that ought to leave a bit number of POTD for SS.

26.5k was mentioned in the GM interview I think. So that looks right

[BS30 City]

The reason why the Atyeo has dropped in capacity is that with the redevelopment the right corner as you look at it is never used as now only offers restricted views due to the pitch moving. Seems a big drop i agree but that definitely account for some of it

[IAmNick]

5 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Based on Nick’s handiwork here is the capacity:

I’m sure some of the Atyeo is reduced down for whatever reasons.

I ended up with this based on Nick’s rationale (remove if 100% full).

So if you add 2.5k(ish) in SS, that ought to leave a bit number of POTD for SS.

I happened across this site which has the data on it, which might be updated a bit more later after it's owner (whoever that may be) collects his kid from nursery and gives them dinner:

http://iamnick.xyz/

[Mr Popodopolous]

5 minutes ago, BS30 City said:

The reason why the Atyeo has dropped in capacity is that with the redevelopment the right corner as you look at it is never used as now only offers restricted views due to the pitch moving. Seems a big drop i agree but that definitely account for some of it

Thanks. That accounts for some

Mandated by the Safety Advisory Group doesn't fully account for restricted views however.

It also reduces scope to split the Atyeo say. I appreciate Restricted views mean lower prices in the relevant areas I assume, I get it on one level. That's more a Commercial rather than Safety rationale though?

[eardun]

1 hour ago, Sleepy1968 said:

1. 12k+

2. Two reasons: They are trying to increase bums on seats, seeing as the South Stand attendances have been hugely under capacity for many games, with all tickets sold to ST holders (as in Sold Out). Also gives us cheaper POTD alternative.

3. I think some people got the wrong end of the stick. Ain't no way the Club would limit ST sales below the proscribed limit (there have to be a certain percent of POTD tickets available.)

Waits for people to disagree ...

 

On point 3, we’re just going on what Gavin Marshall said in the FBC podcast when he says we have 15k season ticket holders currently and (direct quote) “we probably don’t want to have that many more season ticket holders”.

He then goes onto talk about getting POTD seats in the SS by reducing season tickets there (ensures a mix of different fans in the SS like in the other stands) which is your point 2. This is consistent with what they said when they launched season tickets which was this:

“Following feedback at the Fans Forum in November, where there was a collective desire to improve matchday atmosphere, we have made a number of changes to try and increase matchday attendance, particularly in the South Stand by capping the number of Season Tickets to enable more match tickets to be made available here.”

I think someone said there is an EFL cap on percentage of season tickets but I’ve not seen it. However City themselves don’t seem to want to sell many more than 15k (if you take what GM says at face value) which would leave around 8k for POTD (home fans only). Their comms keep stating that there are limited tickets available. Of course they might be tested if people keep buying even after they get to, say, 16k - are they really going to say ‘no thanks’?! Not convinced they will sell that many though. 

 

[Numero Uno]

29 minutes ago, eardun said:

On point 3, we’re just going on what Gavin Marshall said in the FBC podcast when he says we have 15k season ticket holders currently and (direct quote) “we probably don’t want to have that many more season ticket holders”.

He then goes onto talk about getting POTD seats in the SS by reducing season tickets there (ensures a mix of different fans in the SS like in the other stands) which is your point 2. This is consistent with what they said when they launched season tickets which was this:

“Following feedback at the Fans Forum in November, where there was a collective desire to improve matchday atmosphere, we have made a number of changes to try and increase matchday attendance, particularly in the South Stand by capping the number of Season Tickets to enable more match tickets to be made available here.”

I think someone said there is an EFL cap on percentage of season tickets but I’ve not seen it. However City themselves don’t seem to want to sell many more than 15k (if you take what GM says at face value) which would leave around 8k for POTD (home fans only). Their comms keep stating that there are limited tickets available. Of course they might be tested if people keep buying even after they get to, say, 16k - are they really going to say ‘no thanks’?! Not convinced they will sell that many though. 

 

15k is presumably THIS seasons figure? As it stands we have something over 12k for next season. With people not renewing I can’t see us reaching 14k, in fact nearer 13k would be my guess. Unless we really splash the cash he won’t need to worry about applying an upper limit for sales.

[Sleepy1968]

1 hour ago, eardun said:

On point 3, we’re just going on what Gavin Marshall said in the FBC podcast when he says we have 15k season ticket holders currently and (direct quote) “we probably don’t want to have that many more season ticket holders”.

He then goes onto talk about getting POTD seats in the SS by reducing season tickets there (ensures a mix of different fans in the SS like in the other stands) which is your point 2. This is consistent with what they said when they launched season tickets which was this:

“Following feedback at the Fans Forum in November, where there was a collective desire to improve matchday atmosphere, we have made a number of changes to try and increase matchday attendance, particularly in the South Stand by capping the number of Season Tickets to enable more match tickets to be made available here.”

I think someone said there is an EFL cap on percentage of season tickets but I’ve not seen it. However City themselves don’t seem to want to sell many more than 15k (if you take what GM says at face value) which would leave around 8k for POTD (home fans only). Their comms keep stating that there are limited tickets available. Of course they might be tested if people keep buying even after they get to, say, 16k - are they really going to say ‘no thanks’?! Not convinced they will sell that many though. 

 

I get you. You are right but I just don't want believe what he says. We aren't supported anything like well enough for this to be a good idea.

I'm hoping it's a marketing gimmick to try to generate more ST sales, but if its not, I look forward seeing how it plays out.

[eardun]

1 hour ago, Numero Uno said:

15k is presumably THIS seasons figure? As it stands we have something over 12k for next season. With people not renewing I can’t see us reaching 14k, in fact nearer 13k would be my guess. Unless we really splash the cash he won’t need to worry about applying an upper limit for sales.

Yes 15k is this season’s figure - and that includes half season tickets. So 3k haven’t renewed. So final total will depend on how many new season tickets are sold now and how many half season tickets are sold in December. 

[REDOXO]

4 hours ago, REDOXO said:

I am so confused! 
 

How many season tickets have actually been sold to supporters?

How is withholding seats in the South Stand advantageous to the football club?

Am I off base here, but are the club threatening/implying they will limit sales of season tickets at a relatively low level? 
 

All help appreciated!

Hate quoting myself sorry!

58 minutes ago, Sleepy1968 said:

I get you. You are right but I just don't want believe what he says. We aren't supported anything like well enough for this to be a good idea.

I'm hoping it's a marketing gimmick to try to generate more ST sales, but if its not, I look forward seeing how it plays out.

Thats how I took that statement…..Renew now or very soon as we may not sell you a season ticket! I hope that was not what was meant, however I won’t renew mine until I see commitment to support THEIR guy in all areas where necessary! 

Personally I think we have players who are coming through who are earning a chance plus Benarous Atkinson etc, so I don’t necessarily mean purchases. But if we sell Conway/Knight/Pring etc I expect to have an idea how that is to be reinvested. 
 

The CFO of BS stated on FBC words to the effect that there never was a ‘nest egg’ and much of the money was already spent. Thus I’m not sure where the nest egg comment came from but that particular bloke needs to STFU! 
 

For my tuppence I’ll buy mine in July if I see that commitment. If they won’t sell me one then, if I deem it worthy they shalt GO **** Themselves ! 

Edited April 26 by REDOXO

[redsquirrel]

5 minutes ago, REDOXO said:

Hate quoting myself sorry!

Thats how I took that statement…..Renew now or very soon as we may not sell you a season ticket! I hope that was not what was meant, however I won’t renew mine until I see commitment to support THEIR guy in all areas where necessary! 

Personally I think we have players who are coming through who are earning a chance plus Benarous Atkinson etc, so I don’t necessarily mean purchases. But if we sell Conway/Knight/Pring etc I expect to have an idea how that is to be reinvested. 
 

The CFO of BS stated on FBC words to the effect that there never was a ‘nest egg’ and much of the money was already spent. Thus I’m not sure where the nest egg comment came from but that particular bloke needs to STFU! 
 

For my tuppence I’ll buy mine in July if I see that commitment. If they won’t sell me one then, if I deem it worthy they shalt GO **** Themselves ! 

we might both be exeter fans by then anyway mate  (or plymuff)

[Sleepy1968]

1 hour ago, REDOXO said:

For my tuppence I’ll buy mine in July if I see that commitment. If they won’t sell me one then, if I deem it worthy they shalt GO **** Themselves ! 

I waited after the play off final failure v Brighton. Then we sold Leroy Lita. So I didn't renew, and missed a few years - and came back after the Hull play off final failure.