Red-Robbo Posted March 24 Report Share Posted March 24 1 minute ago, Lewisdabaron said: I will stick to my 1988 & 1990 vintage shirts - when there was some testosterone about, but thanks. But it was nice of you to model it for us Robbo. Don't mistake BO for testosterone, mate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_bristol Posted March 24 Report Share Posted March 24 Just to correct the claim that this is part of a “right wing culture war”, a man was arrested (yes, arrested!) last year for arranging the Gay pride flag into 4 so it formed a swastika and posting it on Twitter. This is another tired example of “them ‘uns” being up to no good, not like us of course, yadda yadda. Very tiresome. Amusing to see Emily F’ing Thornberry trying to launder her image by wading in to this issue as well, after being caught on a hot mic mocking a working-class housing estate full of white vans and displaying England flags a few years ago. What a fat idiot. And fat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted March 24 Report Share Posted March 24 27 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: On Radio 4, Shilton referred to "the red, white and blue of the England flag" I mean it's a fair confusion given people like calling England a country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted March 24 Report Share Posted March 24 30 minutes ago, MarcusX said: Yes, obviously as I’ve explain above in the comment you replied to. The word “pride” isn’t mentioned once in that article, what I assume you’ve done is read the word rainbow and made a connection. For the benefit of those who can’t view behind the paywall this is the quote: “It seems astonishing that the FA would not examine the shirt closely enough but, amid claim and counterclaim from sources close to those in charge, there were allegations the US firm wanted to make the home kit even more multi-coloured and closer to displaying a “rainbow” effect.” It goes on to say: “Another source with knowledge of the design process for the kit confirmed an addition of another colour had been discussed but disputed that would have constituted a “rainbow” effect, stressing part of the design brief had been incorporating hues harking back to England’s 1966 World Cup triumph.” Let's not get all caught up on different terminologies. That's petty. The fact is Nike did try to have a rainbow effect flag, aka pride flag. You can dress it up however you want but they didn't want a 'rainbow effect' flag because England once played in rainbow colours did they! Oh come on mate, you've failed to include this key bit which I think says it all about your intentions. You didn't include it cos it backs up what I had previously said. Petty. However, a source close to Singh disputed that he had been solely responsible, before claiming he had personally not even seen the cross at the time. That is despite the source also alleging that Singh had effectively vetoed the “rainbow” proposal from Nike amid fears the FA would be accused of “virtue-signalling”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redinthehead Posted March 24 Report Share Posted March 24 17 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said: Let's not get all caught up on different terminologies. That's petty. Where ‘terminologies’ means your original statement that Nike chose pride colours as entirely incorrect? Best not get hung up on that hey…. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted March 24 Report Share Posted March 24 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lewisdabaron said: Edited March 24 by SecretSam I am a tit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted March 24 Report Share Posted March 24 Interesting analysis https://youtu.be/mXR7cqXENq8?si=_VdgnBq3Iy2-RlO7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted March 24 Report Share Posted March 24 39 minutes ago, Redinthehead said: Where ‘terminologies’ means your original statement that Nike chose pride colours as entirely incorrect? Best not get hung up on that hey…. My original statement is entirely correct. Nike wanted pride/rainbow colours, FA vetoed it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miah Dennehy Posted March 24 Report Share Posted March 24 On 22/03/2024 at 08:31, Hayfield8 said: Why do people play dumb when it comes to England and why this can be seen as disrespectful to the country the kit is suppose to represent? If this were another country, I can't help but think those not understanding the issue would suddenly understand the concept of a national flag being a symbol of a nation, one that has specific colours that are key identifiers of that nation's flag. This is also coming at a time where there is clearly an orchestrated push to erode English identity and pride, and from a company that is very deep into the identity politics culture war does make this seem more than a playful redesign. Symbolism and its importance is a well known concept to the left, the pride flag, Palestinian flag, raised fist of power etc. so how come when it's with England they act dumb? To who though? I'm a bit of an old school lefty and could not give a flying **** about it. The thing is, the voices heard on social media, from left and right, are people being vocal, because that's what social media is. I suspect that there are vast numbers of us- left and right- don't really get all that upset over such trivialities as a design on a football shirt. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Cloud Posted March 24 Report Share Posted March 24 36 minutes ago, Miah Dennehy said: To who though? I'm a bit of an old school lefty and could not give a flying **** about it. The thing is, the voices heard on social media, from left and right, are people being vocal, because that's what social media is. I suspect that there are vast numbers of us- left and right- don't really get all that upset over such trivialities as a design on a football shirt. If the Palestinian Flag suffered the same treatment, would that still be "trivial"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miah Dennehy Posted March 24 Report Share Posted March 24 31 minutes ago, Red Cloud said: If the Palestinian Flag suffered the same treatment, would that still be "trivial"? Like I said, I could not give a flying **** about any flag. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted March 24 Admin Report Share Posted March 24 Having seen the genuine shirts up close today I can confirm that the flag is only a tacky stick on and can easily be pealed off should anyone want to Ps great view from the royal box today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted March 24 Report Share Posted March 24 3 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said: My original statement is entirely correct. Nike wanted pride/rainbow colours, FA vetoed it. No it isn’t. Nike wanted more colours on the kit and it was vetoed - clearly because some idiots can’t see a “rainbow effect” without linking it to something it isn’t. What you’ve done is said rainbow must mean pride and that’s why they’ve done it. Your statement is an opinion. 2 hours ago, Red Cloud said: If the Palestinian Flag suffered the same treatment, would that still be "trivial"? Such a weird comparison 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Lions Posted March 24 Report Share Posted March 24 On 23/03/2024 at 10:43, MarcusX said: Even @Cowshedwading in talking about defacing flags, then shared a defaced flag celebrating it That is a St George bought by fans of BCFC including Scooter RIP who did a great deal of the fundraising. Not something to laugh at. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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richwwtk Posted March 24 Report Share Posted March 24 42 minutes ago, Three Lions said: That is a St George bought by fans of BCFC including Scooter RIP who did a great deal of the fundraising. Not something to laugh at. It was @Cowshed and his 'defacing flags is illegal' that was being laughed at, not the flag 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Lions Posted March 24 Report Share Posted March 24 Just now, richwwtk said: It was @Cowshed and his 'defacing flags is illegal' that was being laughed at, not the flag Read it again and that St George flag and St Georges are part of our footballing culture and traditions something you our culture warrior mate to laugh at and look down but important to many. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Lions Posted March 24 Report Share Posted March 24 5 hours ago, SecretSam said: Interesting analysis https://youtu.be/mXR7cqXENq8?si=_VdgnBq3Iy2-RlO7 He doesnt know why England fans carry St Georges and thinks its recent!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miah Dennehy Posted March 24 Report Share Posted March 24 6 minutes ago, Three Lions said: Read it again and that St George flag and St Georges are part of our footballing culture and traditions something you our culture warrior mate to laugh at and look down but important to many. He's literally just explained that he wasn't mocking the flag for Scooter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redinthehead Posted March 24 Report Share Posted March 24 20 minutes ago, Three Lions said: Read it again and that St George flag and St Georges are part of our footballing culture and traditions something you our culture warrior mate to laugh at and look down but important to many. Like normal with you on here, you need to read it again and stop trying to stir. If you think he was laughing at the flag and not the irony of the two posts from the same poster there you’re either immensely dense or just trying to be offended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richwwtk Posted March 24 Report Share Posted March 24 22 minutes ago, Three Lions said: Read it again and that St George flag and St Georges are part of our footballing culture and traditions something you our culture warrior mate to laugh at and look down but important to many. Just who do you imagine is laughing at and looking down on the England flag? Certainly not me, nor anybody else on this thread that I can see. I would accept your saying that the St. George flag is now part of footballing culture, as for traditions it has only really been a major thing for about 30 years so a bit soon for that maybe? And once again, it was @Cowshed being laughed at, not the flag, no matter who raised the money for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Lions Posted March 24 Report Share Posted March 24 19 minutes ago, Miah Dennehy said: He's literally just explained that he wasn't mocking the flag for Scooter. That literally was not a flag for Scooter he helped raise the money for it with the old SC twenty odd years ago!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted March 24 Report Share Posted March 24 1 hour ago, Three Lions said: He doesnt know why England fans carry St Georges and thinks its recent!!! Certainly isn't historic. I attended loads of England games in the 70s and can't remember seeing many of them then. Think it crept into terrace culture in the 80s. I have zero issue with them though. It totally makes sense that they'll be at England games Equally I don't have a problem with them not being on the shirt as lots of England's kits didn't carry flags in the past. The three lions - the FA's symbol - has been the one ever present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Cloud Posted March 24 Report Share Posted March 24 5 hours ago, Miah Dennehy said: Like I said, I could not give a flying **** about any flag. fair enough but for those of us who do, there's no way any other country would be expected to just accept this! I'm very proud to be English and see this as yet another attempt to wipe out everything English Like I said, can you imagine what would happen if the Palestinian Flag had its colours changed? or the Saltire going pink or the Welsh Flag ditching the Dragon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted March 25 Report Share Posted March 25 (edited) On 22/03/2024 at 18:51, MarcusX said: That’s a Tradition and part of fan culture. Edited March 25 by Cowshed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sticks 1969 Posted March 25 Report Share Posted March 25 4 hours ago, Cowshed said: Tradition and part of fan culture. Top picture melmo 1992 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebristolred Posted March 25 Report Share Posted March 25 (edited) 9 hours ago, Red Cloud said: fair enough but for those of us who do, there's no way any other country would be expected to just accept this! I'm very proud to be English and see this as yet another attempt to wipe out everything English Like I said, can you imagine what would happen if the Palestinian Flag had its colours changed? or the Saltire going pink or the Welsh Flag ditching the Dragon Other countries have had their flags tweaked slightly for promo purposes, and they didn't care. 6 hours ago, Cowshed said: Tradition and part of fan culture. Literally on the last few pages examples have been posted where Scotland, Brazil, etc have done the same thing without shitting the bed. We've done it countless times to the Union jack, whether it's Team GB or UKIP or whatever. There is literally no reason to be even remotely bothered by this. Just shows perfectly how conditioned some of you lot are to be 'offended' on command. Edited March 25 by nebristolred 7 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebristolred Posted March 25 Report Share Posted March 25 (edited) . Edited March 25 by nebristolred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted March 25 Report Share Posted March 25 8 minutes ago, nebristolred said: Other countries have had their flags tweaked slightly for promo purposes, and they didn't care. Literally on the last few pages examples have been posted where Scotland, Brazil, etc have done the same thing without shitting the bed. We've done it countless times to the Union jack, whether it's Team GB or UKIP or whatever. There is literally no reason to be even remotely bothered by this. Just shows perfectly how conditioned some of you lot are to be 'offended' on command. The one thing that stands out when such conversations come about, is how many ' types' spend ages trolling the net to find images and content, and post over and over again, to get their points across that people are conditioned and triggered and that their view is better and more reasoned. They seem more triggered, offended and outraged, and spend more time trying to prove how wrong others are, at having a different opinion. I'm not sure what's worse. Those that are ' offended' or those that are triggered by the ' offended'. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Lions Posted March 25 Report Share Posted March 25 6 hours ago, Cowshed said: Tradition and part of fan culture. looks like like a tradition an history there England fans unified behind the St George if the second ones v Croatia we could be not unified behind the South Bristol flag anymore because dirty Croats pulled it down a deck and nicked it!!! 26 minutes ago, spudski said: The one thing that stands out when such conversations come about, is how many ' types' spend ages trolling the net wouldnt take ages to find England fans with St Georges would it? big tradition? 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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