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7 hours ago, elhombrecito said:

So who's going tonight? Looking forward to it. Should be a big challenge for the boys, in front of the largest ever sporting crowd at the new Ashton Gate.

I am, and just had two tickets become available through illness if anyone's interested.

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1 hour ago, westred1 said:

Chaos getting into the ground. Never seen anything like it.

Drab game in all honesty, not helped by awful officiating.

A good night for the city though.

Thoroughly enjoyable sporting spectacle. Not an entirely open running extravaganza, but SA started the game looking to win, Bristol took on the challenge and beat them. 

SA started with 11 internationals. 

Queued for about 4mins to get in at about 7, no problem, it was a huge crowd. 

Second half much better than the first. And the Bears were missing key personnel. 

My enthusiasm has been reignited. 

ps thought the ref was excellent. Not his fault the TMO team couldn't do their job properly. 

 

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On 18/11/2022 at 10:05, westred1 said:

Chaos getting into the ground. Never seen anything like it.

 

Was like it just after the rebuild, I suspect Thursday night a lot of people were caught out by the early kick off - suited me, as it meant the concourse bars hardly had any queue before the game. 

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16 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Sixth Prem defeat on the bounce for Bears. 22 defeats in last 32 matches is pretty grim reading. 

It is, but they were much improved today and could rightly feel disappointed with the defeat.  
 

Lansdown said he waited too long to sack Robinson, yet here we are with history repeating itself.  Pretty much a free hit with no relegation, but they can’t keep on limping along like this.  

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On 26/11/2022 at 19:01, Barrs Court Red said:

It is, but they were much improved today and could rightly feel disappointed with the defeat.  
 

Lansdown said he waited too long to sack Robinson, yet here we are with history repeating itself.  Pretty much a free hit with no relegation, but they can’t keep on limping along like this.  

Yes @Kid in the RiotI agree, our record is shocking but as  you say @Barrs Court Redthere was a lot of hopeful signs against Sale. We weren't too far away, when sometimes previously we have been miles away from looking like a team.

From what I've decided it seems on the whole rugby teams are 'almost certain' to win at home, and just the opposite when away. There are such few draws it really is either win or lose. The trouble is with the Bears is that we haven't won our home games.

I don't think it has helped having 2 teams fold and the threat of no relegation. You need to rely on a couple of teams being worse than you, making ourselves not look so bad and of course with no relegation there is no real pressure to fight for survival.

Also as we all know there is no real point as such in finishing top as it certainly doesn't make you Champions. With the Bears at the moment after coming so close it does feel a bit of a 'whats the point' season.

 

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Yeah, yesterday was one that could have gone the other way with a bit of luck and better execution. Luatua being back makes a hell of difference, just need to keep him fit.

The point about lack of relegation is a valid one, it does take the pressure off and perhaps means that coaches are more likely to try different things and take risks with the knowledge that if they lose then it's not the end of the world. It does seem that the league is in a bit of a state of flux at the moment with the 2 teams pulling out and nobody quite knowing what the structure is going to look like beyond this season.

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On 27/11/2022 at 21:32, Northern Red said:

It does seem that the league is in a bit of a state of flux at the moment with the 2 teams pulling out and nobody quite knowing what the structure is going to look like beyond this season.

Not so much pulling out as ceasing to exist. Rugby has big problems. 

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Not specifically related to us, Bristol but seems a useful place for it.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2022/12/06/rfu-rejects-wasps-worcester-pleas-spared-relegation/

Automatic relegation and or suspension for going into administration? We knew already but rubber stamped.

Excessive or could football learn from it.

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Wasps had debts totalling £95m when the club went into administration, reports by administrators FRP have revealed.

They show that the combined debts of the rugby club's parent company Wasps Holdings and their three Coventry Building Society Arena companies have cost taxpayers millions of pounds.

Dozens of local firms were also owed money, including Arena tenants Coventry City who were owed about £465,000.

Wasps and their stadium businesses owed more than £21m to public bodies.

Wasps Holdings entered administration on 18 October, resulting in their relegation from the Premiership.

Meanwhile, Arena Coventry Ltd (ACL), Arena Coventry (2006) Ltd and IEC Experience Ltd were first threatened with the likelihood of administration on 2 November.

Former Newcastle United owner Mike Ashley's Frasers Group, the preferred bidder, then had a £17m bid accepted and took charge when the businesses went into administration on 17 November, despite a late £25m offer from stadium tenants Coventry's proposed new majority shareholder Doug King.

Frasers Group have since served the Sky Blues with an eviction notice, saying they have no continuing right to use the ground unless a new licence is agreed.

Who is owed the most money?

The administrators' reports have highlighted the full extent of the CBS Arena's and Wasps' debts.

Taxpayers took the biggest hit as a result of the £14.1m unsecured Covid Sport Survival Package (SSP) loan from the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS), administered by Sport England.

A further £7m owed to His Majesty's Revenue & Customs (HMRC) has not been repaid - and there were also losses for local taxpayers.

Coventry City Council was owed more than £270,000, with the council telling the BBC the bulk of it (£228,152) was as a result of unpaid business rates.

Warwickshire County Council was owed £600 and Stratford District Council £2,868, while West Midlands Police lost £20,570 and West Midlands Ambulance Service took a loss of £1,755.

The reports also show former Wasps owner Derek Richardson had loans of about £16.5m in the various Wasps companies when they went bust.

It is a bigger blow to the public purse than when Worcester Warriors collapsed in October, owing the government £16.1m from their SSP loan (the biggest of the combined £124m package of loans given to all 13 Premiership clubs), as well as £2.1m in unpaid taxes to HMRC.

The other big losers were Wasps bondholders, who were owed £35.2m.

They did receive around £7.4m back, but it still results in total losses of £27.8m.

Who is owed what locally?

It was not just taxpayers affected by the collapse of Wasps as more than 40 local firms lost money.

Signage company Moseley Signs - who recently removed Wasps' logo from the Arena - were owed more than £92,000.

Coventry City Council took another hit as a result of Tom White Waste, which is owned by the local authority, suffering a loss of £11,336.

Surrey-based Compass, which previously supplied catering and events support to the stadium, lost £7.6m, while Delaware North, who had taken over from Compass were owed £4.5m.

The responses so far

Administrators FRP, former Wasps owner Richardson, Coventry City Council, Premiership Rugby, Moseley Signs and DCMS have all been approached for comment.

Sport England confirmed: "The loan was provided by the government, not Sport England.

"Sport England issued SSP loans on behalf of the government, acting as the loan agent. As our name is on lots of documents, it is a common misunderstanding but it's important that this is not misreported.

"We understand the appointed administrators are undertaking due process. We are awaiting confirmation of the impact of the club administration on the government lending."

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