Tinmans Love Child

41 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said:

Agree. Remember Millwall smashing us 3-0 first game after getting promotion 

David James debut after getting back from the World Cup with England, bet that was a reality check for him!

When’s the Bristol derby….oh

2 hours ago, exAtyeoMax said:

I've been to Morzine twice, it's a great area. Buddha Bar?  Avoriaz too!

It's been such along time since I went skiing, I've forgotten where I've been.

Yeh Avoriaz is great too, stayed there on our last ski trip in 2018, white out nearly every day!  Les Dues Alpes is worth a look as it’s a glacier so you can ski in summer!

18 hours ago, exAtyeoMax said:

we went to Pamporovo in Bulgaria in 1991, 10p for a bottle of beer, 40p for spirits. I spent £10 in the whole week . There was only eight ski lifts, and only three hotels but we had an absolute ball! 

Yes, you're right about the Alps, fabulous skiing.  I really want to go next year, haven't been since 2013. 

I’ve not been for a few years (really miss it) we love Morzine, only 1 hour transfer from Geneva, you can be skiing by lunch if you get an early flight!

On 16/06/2022 at 15:00, Davefevs said:

Was there late 90s. Crap snow, lots of rocks and mud to ski over. But cheap as chips for apres ski!!!!

Bansko in Bulgaria was ridiculously cheap, an Irish Pub picked 4 of us up from our hotel, took us to the pub, we had 3 courses and loads of drinks, then they dropped us back, £10 each!  And this was only 6/7 years ago.  Not a patch on the alps for skiing mind!

1 minute ago, Tinmans Love Child said:

At last some clarification!  Good work! So does the term “pyrotechnic” include the smoke canisters or is that just the flares/firework types?

https://fsoa.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Smoke-Bombs-Flares-and-Fireworks-Factsheet-for-FSF1.docx

 

14 hours ago, Sheltons Army said:

Just to stop the repeated same questions And FWIW , If used responsibly (therein lies the problem) I like pyros and the atmosphere they bring 

There are at least two pieces of legislation that make possession at a SPORTING VENUE illegal

(1) Being in possession of a pyrotechnic device at a football match, or attempting to bring a pyrotechnic device into a football stadium, is a criminal offence under the Sporting Events (Control of Alcohol etc) Act 1985.

(2) Sec 72a Public Order Act 1986

 

At last some clarification!  Good work! So does the term “pyrotechnic” include the smoke canisters or is that just the flares/firework types?

3 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

But it is the point though, you are applying the same rule to 2 different circumstances,

Football fans especially recently have proven they can't be trusted, sadly these bans are the result of this

I’m not, this isn’t complicated!  If the banning reason is breathing then pyro should be banned from all events.  If the banning reason is football fans being tossers literally then that means breathing isn’t the reason

Some Googling suggests that pyro are legal to buy and own if over 18, however cannot be let off in public places unless you have some form of permission.

I went to a wedding last week and they set loads of them off for the photo shoot, no police turned up to arrest anyone, so assume they asked the hotel and they were fine with it.

I guess in theory if fans got the clubs permission to set off pyros, and the club gave permission, then it would be perfectly legal and above board.  The club on certain games have those flame throwers going off which arnt much different to pyros.

I wonder if at concerts they have caveats in the T&Cs that allow pyros?

1 minute ago, Monkeh said:

Because its a different event, why are you allowed on the pitch at a concert?

It's like comparing a apple to the moon......ie you can't 

It’s not, the point I was replying to was that they pyros are so say banned at football because they impact peoples breathing, people also breath at concerts, therefore why are they not banned at concerts.  Keep up

4 hours ago, Super said:

It affects some people's breathing and is dangerous that's why they are banned. 

Ok, that’s fine, but if that’s the reason then why are they seemingly allowed at concerts but not football?  

23 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

From my limited gig experiences, flares seem to be held by the person, rather than lobbed.  Not saying that’s better, just different mentaility.

Personally I love the smell of pyro, but I also used to like the smell of petrol as a kid too.

Do they get lobbed because if you get caught with one you get a 3 year ban, whereas if that wasn’t the punishment you might just keep hold of it?

Yet at the Liam Gallagher gigs recently, one of which was inside the Etihad, there were countless smoke flares/pyros going off throughout and there was no issue at all with this.  
 

Why are pyros not allowed in a football ground when football is on but they are allowed in a football ground for a concert?  Surely H&S is the same regardless of event?

5 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

 

Well that’s defo a horrible shirt, even if Ravanelli is wearing it!

10 hours ago, Dr Balls said:

Maybe we should suggest building the whole line in a tunnel that can be made waterproof!

I’ve got some sealant in the garage you can use no worries

For me these are nothing games, couldn’t care less If we won or lost, it’s al about the tournaments and Southgate has had 2 good ones already, so I reckon we will do ok

6 hours ago, ZiderEyed said:

Recently finished my dissertation on Lefebvre and Baudrillard through the conception of fan spaces, and I must disagree.

The East End elucidated socially emergent working class cultures. The South Stand was built with none of this in mind, and no longitudinal research to date notes that the same bonding processes will occur in the SS that were presend in the EE.

What is more likely is that there will be a swell of young people who are dissasitfised with the limitations provided by modern football, and will complain at length to afford themselves more room to express fanatical support for the club, while a group of elder fans will resist to preserve the status quo. Older fans who stood in the East End, and who benefited from the milleu of social conscience at the time, should realise that young people nowadays have lost the ability to have that same formative experience.

You seem to be suggesting that the East End was built in order to elucidate working class cultures, which of course it wasn’t, it was built cheaply to simply allow fans to see what was happening on the pitch.  The cultures and sub cultures then evolved from there, but that wasn’t the original intention.

Some of those cultures already exist within the fan base, and naturally will relocate to the South Stand, also evolving into other sub cultures not yet thought of.  In fact the new generation of more affluent fan will no doubt change the definition of a football fan in years to come.

https://youtu.be/eECcV7N9s1M

18 minutes ago, Red Skin said:

I didn't.  That's me in the background. 

That’s me in the spotlight…

40 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

I think "tradition" and "identity" usually means "what they wore when I first started watching". That's why the purple and lime is special to me, reminds me of my first season watching City, and similarly I've always favoured white socks, because that's what I remember. If you watched us back in the 40s to 50s then hooped socks were regular.

Identity changes over time and with it people become nostalgic to a certain era.

Arsenal were around for 50 years before they started wearing white sleeves, and they had blue socks at one point

Agreed, the nostalgia with the east end is understandable for those who stood/sat in it, but future generations in 50 years will feel the same about the South Stand when the club decides to knock it down and make it bigger 

As per title, fair play to him after his stint at Rovers which was pretty poor, he did pretty well at Swindon and has stepped up

16 minutes ago, archie andrews said:

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7 hours ago, tommy_b said:

That old chap. Built some train lines. Some stations. A boat. A bridge. Has some links to Bristol. Might’ve heard of him?

Brunel is a sh*thead

Brunel is a sh*thead

La la la la

5 hours ago, Red-Robbo said:

Even worse than last year's. Loathe the pointless collar, while the goalie kit looks like George at Asda trying to do "rave".

Mind you, I'm not its target audience. I haven't bought a replica shirt since the Sanderson Computer Recruitment days.

If you like it, you like it, but it's not for me.  

Ironically one of the Sanderson shirts had a very pointless collar which could be folded inside the shirt

46 minutes ago, Ronnie Sinclair said:

So then, the general feedback is the new kit is bloody lovely and bloody vile  

It looks better than last seasons, so that's positive at least

Same as every single kit launch then!  It doesn’t matter what you do, it will be marmite.  To reinvent the wheel of a red shirt season after season whilst merging all of the individual opinions fans have about it is an impossible task!