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13 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said:

Poor old Bill Kenwright after all he's done for Everton over the years.

People have very short memories.

And Graeme Sharp

Everton's board of directors have been told to stay away from their Premier League game with Southampton due to a "real and credible threat to their safety and security", the club have said.

Fans are understood to be planning a protest at Goodison Park in the wake of last week's embarrassing 4-1 home defeat to Brighton.

The club said chairman Bill Kenwright, chief executive Denise Barrett-Baxendale, chief finance and strategy officer Grant Ingles and non-executive director Graeme Sharp will "reluctantly" stay away on the advice of security advisors.

9 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

It's not quite guesswork though.

TV rights are set at £2.5m per Champ club (+ up to £100k per televised home game). The EFL pay £4.5m to Championship which reduces to roughly £1.4  million in L1.

The cost of relegation is therefore in hard cash Day 1 about £5.5 million  which is £10million less than you state.

Then there's the loss of merchandising and ticket sales but this will depend entirely on performance on the field. You quote Sheffield Wednesday as an example and they have averaged more fans at home (24,000) in L1 as a winning than when a losing team in the Championship( 21,000). So BCFC will certainly have a reduced ST income but even then with some shiny new Manager and new team - who knows? It's fact that if we play attractive football AND win then people will be scrabbling for tickets, memberships etc. Whilst I agree that some guesswork is involved, I still want you to explain how " the cost of relegation will be more than £15million" when fixed payments lost will be circa £5.5 million. 

What is more is that players wages will fall and most salaries will reflect our standing as a 'third division' club -AGAIN. This will lead to smaller operating costs.

Best answer is for SL and Nige to get us out of the relegation fight they are both responsible for .Nige on the pitch and SL off it.

Going round in circles here! I’ve given a figure which I’ve said is guesswork and based it on figures from Sheffield Wednesday Trust. You disagree and given your figures, As stated not one of us knows for sure, and only when accounts are published would the true cost be confirmed. Let’s agree on your last statement and both hope we don’t up in league 1 and we’re both basing figures on guesswork rather than actuals in accounts as a league 1 club 

18 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

Ok - so please confirm your quote and source. Wednesday received tv rights of £8 million ?????????? 

Just check any info and the actual figure is £2.5 million for Champ tv rights.

BCFC get 20,000  in the ground at the very very best. Freebies, kids, subsidies etc make it  less income than an obvious calculation of 20,000 x£ 40 but in actual fact if BCFC are top of L1 then we'll make more income than being bottom (ish) of the Championship. Whatever our league , if we have momentum then the fans will attend- however plastic. WE have about 12000 ST's and would maybe lose at the very worst 5000 if relegated . The rest is dependent on how we play and whether we are chasing promotion.

Quoting SwissTony about Sunderland on twitter is utter nonsense. In any case- if Sunderland do well then 40,000 fans turn up. At BS3 we've never had more than 25000 in the new stadium.

You have stated that relegation will cost our club more than £15 million yet have failed to come anywhere near close to this figure when pressed. 

Relegation will cost us but nowhere near your fantasy figures.

You asked me to quantify the figure and provided from Sheffield Wednesday Trust , a club recently relegated from the championship. The figures they quoted were £12 million so not a million miles from the amount I stated which was based on a posters valuation of Semenyo. I do agree with you about momentum and if successful on the pitch crowds will increase. 
 

I’m not sure who ‘Swiss Tony’ is by the way. 

Appreciate you don’t agree with what I’ve posted but I’ve given an explanation and a source to those figures. Ultimately neither you, I or anyone on this forum would know the true cost of relegation until the club publishes it’s accounts and in many ways is purely guess work on anyone’s behalf

1 hour ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

The additional TV rights for Championship is about £3million more than L1. Season tickets sales will drop but if by , let's say as much as 5000 less, is about £2.5 million. 

Please explain to me and the rest of us where your figure "OF GREATER THAN £15 MILLION" COMES FROM?????

You have stated it's more than £15 million for relegation- so please quote how this is the case.

Ok so for the me the cost of relegation, we will see crowds reduce from .20k for home games both from a home support and away support. We will see some teams with decent away followings but on the whole a reduction in crowds will have a knock on effect to match day revenue. 
I’m sure pay on the day numbers would also reduce , and for a lower level of football you’d expect the cost of the match day ticket / season ticket to reduce from their current prices. 
Not sure on our players whether we’d have a clause in contracts to reduce salaries. 
In answer to your question I and many don’t know what the true cost of relegation would be . The Sheffield Wednesday Trust estimated the cost of relegation between £10 million and £12 million , so I’m basing my estimate on those plus as we know no guarantee of achieving promotion immediately either 

In the Championship Wednesday receive around £8m in broadcast income (before the Covid-19 rebate to broadcasters). That falls all the way down to around £2m in League One.

On top of that attendances are also likely to fall, meaning a drop in match day revenue even before accounting for effects of the pandemic currently, in the immediate future and in the longer term. When were last relegated in 2010 average attendances dropped by more than 20%, from 23,000 to 18,000:

When Sunderland went down in 2019 their attendances increased - but they also reduced tickets by around 15% - and their matchday income increased too, in part due to more home matches and two Wembley appearances in their first season in League 1.

Sunderland’s first season down in League 1 is a poor proxy for Wednesday, though: Their attendances are significantly higher than ours and they had the comfort blanket of Parachute Payments to draw on in licking their wounds in that first season in League 1 in 2018/19. Football finance expert @SwissRamble on Twitter estimates revenue of £19m for Sunderland in the current season.

Wednesday’s revenue isn’t likely to be that high in League 1, but instead around £14m***. We’d be allowed to spend around £10m (75% of revenue) of that under the SCMP financial regulations mentioned before. It’s worth noting that the 23-man skeleton squad shown above had wage costs of £12m, so they would be £2m too high.

1 hour ago, GrahamC said:

But what if we replaced him with someone who scored 8 goals?

That’s impossible to know.

That’s the gamble , but right now Semenyo knows how we play, played upfront with Wells before. Big risk to now sell Semenyo and bring someone completely new into the team , club and possibly relocate , with weinmann and Conway injured would have to have an immediate impact 

37 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Depends what we get offered, loads easier to replace him if someone pays £15m than where we are now.

The cost of relegation will be greater than £15million - currently our strike options are limited

Simply can’t sell Semenyo in this window now. 

26 minutes ago, Super said:

Do Sunderland and Newcastle play at home on same day? Newcastle play Liverpool at 5.30 that day.

Could be something in this.

Milwall v Sheffield Utd 12:30 kick off on Saturday. Cardiff v reading the televised game on Friday night 

33 minutes ago, Taunton_BCFC said:

Quick one for those who have done PNe away by train. Is 17:18 train possible to make from stadium?

It’s an easy walk but probably a little longer than 20 mins - very tight to walk back to station. Although may be a quicker way if go through park. 
Anybody knot when tickets go on sale as not showing yet 

1 minute ago, NcnsBcfc said:

@Davefevs I think the biggest problem at the club is the lack of leadership at the top at the moment.

I get that we are in a changeover from RG to PA in the CEO role, but really we should be hearing from the Chairman/Owner about their support for NP, the vision going forward, plans for the January Transfer market; and generally addressing a lot of the concerns that we are drifting as a club; we have absolute silence on all of these fronts.

As such it is left to NP to present to everyone sometimes 3/4 times a week the club as a whole. It's pathetic really, that the position of chairman is allowed to come across as a personal plaything of the Lansdown family. When I think of some of the great chairman of our past, and where we are now, it's not great.

Yes we've only won 7 league games this season, but I've actually enjoyed a number of our games when we haven't won, we've played well on those occasions. However, we are in a results based industry, and I actually swore on the podcast this week; that for us to spend £60m+ on facilities, followed by buying 70+ players in the last 6-7 years at a cost of approx £75m, only to be playing the likes of Rovers, Morecombe, Accrington, Cheltenham etc next season is a demonstration of the mismanagement of the last few years.

For me, the next 2 games are key. I get what you're saying about Birmingham, and 1 win is better than 2 draws of course. But we desperately need a win. No win at home since Oct, 1 win (Rotherham away) in the last 12/13. If we drop down into the relegation spots, we have a very young team full of academy players, and no one of our senior players who has experience of a relegation battle, i do fear the worst.

How much would relegation set us back? Both financially, and more importantly from a reputational of view; as a club who has a billionaire owner, earnt vast fees in selling players, spent masses on a new stadium and training facilities and then been relegated. NP wants his business down early, by we are now a third of the way through the month. A couple of key players are probably injured for a few weeks. Yes, we can fudge around players that are currently persona non grata, but is that going to help our situation? 

I sometimes feel at the moment that this inertia that the club is displaying, hoping that someone will buy one of our players soon is leading us down the road we found ourselves in 2012/13 season. We are starting to sleep walk into disaster.

I know I sound dramatic @Davefevs, and you know I'm normally level headed about these things. But at the moment, it's difficult to believe that things are going to change this month for the better.

Roll on Saturday, a 2-1 win; and hopefully news of the much needed new reinforcements.

35 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

That’s what frustrates me.  I totally get why people are a) worried b) don’t think Nige is the right man, etc, etc, but when they present there arguments they don’t even mention the other side of the argument.

If someone said “I’m really worried, the longer term results trends is poor, I think Nige should go, but I do appreciate the last few results have been better, the team have showed a bit of fight”, I can get my head around that so much more.

On Sound of the City last night, there were a few things mentioned that two of the callers recognised as being reasons why we are struggling, but then completely ignored when giving their view.  Or saying they expected 0 points from Burnley / Norwich, but then selectively picking a run of games v points that included those two games.

Of course we need points.  No game is must-win, certainly not with 20 games to go.   Yes, I’d like to beat Birmingham on Saturday, but if we beat Blackburn instead (no guarantees we get anything at all mind you), does it matter that much?  We probably need 50 points to stay up, that’s 21 points from 20 games.  Yep, there are some opponents where it’s more advantageous to win than lose, to push them back, but it’s about accumulating those points however and whenever we can.

Both make good points about the importance of the next two games. Although I agree @Davefevsthat still a little early fit ‘must win’ games we need to be looking at four points from the two home games. Looking at our fixtures coming up ; Huddersfield (a) 28 Jan, Wigan (h) 15 Feb ,  Hull (h) 25 Feb, Cardiff (a) 4 March and Blackpool (h) 11 March. Six massive games in the next nine weeks where we really want to be unbeaten against these teams as a minimum ideally win them but pick up points in the other games, that’s why two home games this week are vital to give us some confidence going into Huddersfield and hopefully at least keep the gap at three points

The comment on sky today that having a ‘full stop meeting ‘ was typical Johnson bluster 

16 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Pete, here’s a segment of an interview from Mark Steed, the guy who runs the investment company behind Gamechanger 2020 Ltd, who are behind Ipswich Town:

I’d say he quickly got the measure of Ashton!

Especially with the “skill of luck” comment.

I think Ashton will be shitting himself if they don’t get promoted.  Squeal like pig, Mark!!!

 

To be fair it says more about our club than Ipswich. Ashton was allowed free rein to appear to do what he wanted, but ultimately the buck stops at the top. Ashton is unlikely to have signed the cheques but is likely to have requested the money spent. Every manager wants two or three more players , Johnson was very quick every transfer window to state it ,Ashton would no doubt go to the board that these players would see us over the line and the Lanswdowns would sign off the expenditure. The bulk of the blame is with our ownership , unlike Ipswich we asked no questions or challenges 

Wells in for Conway only change 

12 minutes ago, RedLionLad said:

Can’t understand the mentality of some people. Why do some people get pleasure out of hurting a fellow human being?

Should be banned for life when identified 

Anybody seen this:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/newcastle-fan-dan-burn-shirt-28826700.am

10 minutes ago, Roadrunner said:

On Sky, Sky app and red button. Beers in fridge. COYRs.

Expect Coventry away to also be on

3 minutes ago, RedM said:

Obviously there were a lot of gambles on the talent and of course we can see it clearly in hindsight. I can see why people got sucked in, we did a couple of good deals then Ashton managed to convince those that mattered that everything he touched he could turn to gold and was believed.

I just hope lesson have been learnt. Everyone should be accountable.

Also none of this was the fans doing, yet we are having to accept a poor product and have less options because of an ex employees actions. And people who could have prevented much of this don't seem to recognise this 

There is no acknowledgment from the Lansdown family , generally at Christmas time we hear from Steve. Nothing this year from either him or our chairman 

3 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Me too.  I’ve long called out for football-savvy people at the higher levels.  I called for a Lenny Lawrence-type when both LJ and DH were appointed.  We’ve put a football man into recruitment with Tins at long last.

We can all agree / disagree on the manager (most disagree with me ) but we need to have clarity from above.

Hopefully the new CEO when announced will bring that and be a good fit with the “football” side.

We’ve lacked a football man at the top of the club for too long , the club appointed one in Ashton and those at the top appear to have switched off and agreed to what he asked for , regardless of the consequences. 
Tins is a step forward and a welcome one but he will need support from a business operator , that appointment is now key 

1 hour ago, cidered abroad said:

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the SL regime, the current problem is one that would not be resolved if he sold BS or BCFC tomorrow to someone who would be prepared to plough shedloads into the Club.

Our problem now is FFP which is stopping us from bringing in the two or three top Championship quality that we need to save our Championship status.

FFP is a problem that we have to work around, but for me the question is who is responsible for putting us in this position, who approved the high wages / expenditure 

If City sack Pearson then Ainsworth is the most realistic target , a guy who can motivate players to achieve higher than their abilities and would work to a budget. Talk of Wilder is completely unrealistic 

22 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/brilliant-defender--bristol-city-5607762.amp 

The ironic thing is on this very podcast not so long ago - it was being stated that the player wasn’t performing and wasn’t championship standard and was held up as a bad purchase by Pearson - this week Pearson is wrong for not playing him 

40 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Atkinson & Tanner cost less than £2m combined & as the former was the vast majority of that, we have no idea how that specific deal is structured.

So the £1.6m could be a £1m flat fee, rest based on appearances, for instance.

People can rightly criticise Pearson for not playing him, but he’s spent very little.

I don’t disagree that he’s spent very little and in many ways is taking a gamble on players who’ve never played at this level before. I thought Atkinson was £2million 

10 hours ago, spudski said:

Thanks for your reply and thoughts.

I'm guessing by your view of having one playing centrally, you have a restricted view of the 433.

The modern 433 is very versatile and has lots of mobility. 

As an example the front 3 can rotate.

The fullbacks can also be used like a wing back on occasion. 

This article is very easy to read and in layman's term as to the 433 versatility.

https://www.coachesvoice.com/cv/4-3-3-football-tactics-explained-formation-liverpool-klopp-barcelona-guardiola/#:~:text=What is a 4-3,more advanced to either side. 

I could easily see the following.

-------------------------Max--------------------------- 

Vyner------Atkinson----Naismith---Pring 

-----------------------james------------------------- 

-------williams---------------scott--------------- 

----------------------Weimann----------------------

--------------Conway----------Wells--------------

You have Kalas that can play CB as well.

Also Semenyo in one of the front three.

 

 

 

 

Agreed - I think we’re trying to play a 3-5-2 without the players. Personally I wouldn’t play Naismith as a CB in a two - possibly as a LB or midfielder in a two. My stance on that formation would be 4-3-1-2

                O’Leary

Tanner Vyner Atkinson Pring 

       Williams Scott James

                  Weinmann

            Conway Wells

Naismith could rotate with James & Williams 

Sykes could play as the ‘10’ at times for Weinmann 

6 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Tanner - Brought as one for the future. Just about starting to get in the team. 

Atkinson - He himself admitted he struggled to recover from illnesses. Pearson clearly feels he could be more enthusiastic about recovering from them. 

Wilson - Sykes fine early form kept him out. Then got injured. 

Danny Simpson - Can understand Pearson bringing him in to help install his culture in the club. 

Idehan - Not bombed out, just needed to go away and play which he failed to do which vindicates the decision to not play him. 

Klose - Something clearly happened in his personal life over the summer that has affected him. Not been the same player since. 

Sykes - Did well up til his sending off. Not been the same player since.

Bajic - Terrible game against Lincoln. 

King and James - King has done his absolute best at CB. We are a much better team with James in it than without him. 

The football really isn't shit. Should have beat the likes of Watford, Swansea etc. Your letting results cloud your judgement. Maybe if you watched you'd know that? 

The progression of young players has reversed? Are you actually for real? 

Tombola? We made 1 change from the week before. 

Why was the interview unbelievable? You clear want us to improve but you find a manager giving a player a kick up the ass as unbelievable? 

When it comes to recruitment we’ve got to consider how much we’ve actually spent and where buying from. Wilson, Klose, Naismith, James, King all free transfers. 
 

Tanner and Atkinson cost us about £2.5 million together , either played at this level before - Atkinson was playing non league football couple of seasons back, Wilson also highest level played at (personally would send him out to a league 1 club for second half of season for regular football and at a higher level played at).

Pearson is shopping in the free transfer market and a spending money on untried players at lower levels. Should we be doing better , yes. Is Pearson the right man I’m not totally sure but I do agree with his comments if he goes the same problems persist