Jordan Tansley Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 "WE ARE DOOMED" Zzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 "WE ARE DOOMED" Zzz "Millen needs time and is the man for the job...." Zzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Shortie Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 "WE ARE DOOMED" Zzz Not yet but will be if action is not taken soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 "WE ARE DOOMED" Zzz Dont take it for granted that we'll recover..... We only recovered last season because of the signing of Caulker IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Tansley Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Don't take it for granted that we won't recover! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Don't take it for granted that we won't recover! ah, but I'm not saying we wont. But its difficult to see how this group of players are suddenly going to learn to defend - particularly with this manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Tansley Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 ah, but I'm not saying we wont. But its difficult to see how this group of players are suddenly going to learn to defend - particularly with this manager. **** knows... 442 would help... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 **** knows... 442 would help... SOME DEFENDERS WOULD HELP. A commanding centre half to replace caulker is a must. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Tansley Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 SOME DEFENDERS WOULD HELP. A commanding centre half to replace caulker is a must. Ain't gonna happen. Not for a week or two... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Robin Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Ain't gonna happen. Not for a week or two... The club needs more than a defender or two.change is required now,not in two or three months time but now. James is bigger than Millen,any other club would have dropped him for the Cardiff game. Players playing out of position,to accomadate millens favourite players. KM seems a nice guy,but he is no manager,clearly one person has to make a decision regards the way the club is heading,and we all know who that is. We are and have gone backwards since those good days under Gary Johnson,yes it went stale at the end,but the club and supporters were one for a good chunk of his tenure.it was great for a good while under his management. Today the club is split in two, fans who want change the majority i would say,fans that are happy under the current manager,however that surely has to be dwindling now. it seems the backer and his board are sticking with millen at present. A serious concern if this going to happen,a long hard season battleing relagation is on the cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 ...what football manager would want to come here with all the restrictions in place? Any new manager wants to create his own team. With no money being made available, no one would want the job until we have offloaded the players not wanted. I have a feeling most of those will still be here until their contracts run out. As it is, time is running out and the transfer window will close soon. Any new manager would have to work with the players we have already here. In all honesty...looking at the fixture list, unless things dramatically improve, I can't see us winning a game until October 15th, when we are at home to Peterborough. I seriously see us being rooted at the foot of the League with maybe 2 points by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Tansley Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 The club needs more than a defender or two.change is required now,not in two or three months time but now. James is bigger than Millen,any other club would have dropped him for the Cardiff game. Players playing out of position,to accomadate millens favourite players. KM seems a nice guy,but he is no manager,clearly one person has to make a decision regards the way the club is heading,and we all know who that is. We are and have gone backwards since those good days under Gary Johnson,yes it went stale at the end,but the club and supporters were one for a good chunk of his tenure.it was great for a good while under his management. Today the club is split in two, fans who want change the majority i would say,fans that are happy under the current manager,however that surely has to be dwindling now. it seems the backer and his board are sticking with millen at present. A serious concern if this going to happen,a long hard season battleing relagation is on the cards. You changed your mind quickly oh great prophet.. You and axbridge must be related? Brother and sister? Husband and wife? Both? Yeah that must be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 "BRISTOL City boss Keith Millen admits his players need outside help if they are to turn their season around" Yeah, a new manager!!! My question is, how can we almost get promoted with weaker squad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Robin Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 You changed your mind quickly oh great prophet.. Not really,I hoped the man after his pre-season would have sorted the problems,clearly pre-season showed issues,Never was a fan of millen getting the managers job. But hey you hope he can do the business, KM is struggleing,it needs sorting,surely you have to agree on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whale Eye Beef Hooked Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 **** knows... 442 would help... Tried that the first game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Quote from Millen... Millen has been unable to replace Steven Caulker, the commanding Tottenham centre-back who left at the end of last season, and he has now been told he must sell players before he can strengthen a defence that has conceded six goals in two games. In a brutally honest assessment of where his team is at, Millen conceded: "We need help and we need to bring in new players sooner rather than later. "We all know which positions need strengthening. We have known for a long time and nothing has changed. But my hands are tied, because I have been unable to get players out during the summer. "Everyone knows the players I would like to move on, but they are still here and, until the situation changes, I'm going to have to go with what I've got. We know what we need and the fact we cannot do anything about it at the moment is frustrating. "I'd love to bring in a couple of new faces, but it does not look as though that is going to happen at the moment and I'm going to have to get on with it." "We went into the game with the right shape and started quite well, but individual errors have cost us again. Players not tracking runners, others giving the ball away cheaply and others not getting tight are all making things too easy for the opposition.' Millen is taking a lot of stick, but i feel the players have to take more responsibility. If they are not tracking back and/or making individual errors, that is the players fault not the managers. Millen or any other manager would still have to pick a team from our below average quality squad. A few new defenders may help a little, but our midfield is also substandard. I personally don't think Skuse, Elliot, JCR, Cisse, Woolford, Johnson are good players. I like what i've seen of Kilkenny, and Adomah...but that's it tbh. I don't think any manager, could get better reults with what we've got. We have a poor quality squad. Most of them have peaked and aren't going to get any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Tried that the first game maybe try it with players playing in natural positions? and also try it with our strongest centre midfield pairing? That may not be bad start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Tansley Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Tried that the first game It was a random variant of it. Woolford or bolasie need to play, and stay left. Protecting the full backs is massively important. Skuse can't play with Elliot. Ever. Kilkenny, Johnson or Reid must start over at least one of those two to ensure there is an option (If anyone's gonna slag off LJ, he is better than no option at all) For the defence. Carey in the partner Wilson. Stick with it. Maynard and Stead up top. Pitman swapping with stead depending on oppo. Just want him to keep it simple, I want him to succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whale Eye Beef Hooked Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Millen is picking these players - players that keep making mistakes. He should have signed some defenders..... Change the record Riaz, He knows that he needs defenders. He tried to get a couple but they went elsewhere. He was after Billy Jones from Crewe but he chose WBA and i believe there was another 2 ( rob jones and 1 other i think) that he tried to get but they went elsewhere. You can't just magic up a strong quick ball winning centre half that is within our budget. He has to try and get rid of some players first, players like Clarkson, Johnson, Hunt and Stewart that were signed by previous managers but no-one wants them ( alleg ). He has also had this maynard contract dispute going on which is holding everything up. If Maynard goes then we can probably go and sign someone for a fee but if he stays then he will prob have to look at a loan signing if he can move out some players. Not everything is football is as black and white as it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 It was a random variant of it. Woolford or bolasie need to play, and stay left. Protecting the full backs is massively important. Skuse can't play with Elliot. Ever. Kilkenny, Johnson or Reid must start over at least one of those two to ensure there is an option (If anyone's gonna slag off LJ, he is better than no option at all) For the defence. Carey in the partner Wilson. Stick with it. Maynard and Stead up top. Pitman swapping with stead depending on oppo. Just want him to keep it simple, I want him to succeed. Disappointingly have to agree with you here......shame really, I prefer not agree with you Seriously, Woolford needs a run. We need balance, we need continuity. Woolford will be a tidy player for us but needs games. He is a natural left footer, and plays on the left. Love him or loathe him as a player, our one solid season came when McIndoe was left midfield....and solely left midfield. That wasnt because he was a great player, it was because he gave us natural balance and support. Agree with centre mid pairing to. Now, Im not Skuse's biggest fan....but for me, Skuse and Kilkenny should be middle two.....Elliott is not good enough im afraid. Great athelete, runs his socks off.....but can barely pass wind let alone pass a ball. Stead up top is a must as he specialises in holding the ball up. Great for possession retention....something we dont do enough of. We have the players here to keep us in this division....but we need to get back to absolute basics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Tansley Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Disappointingly have to agree with you here......shame really, I prefer not agree with you Seriously, Woolford needs a run. We need balance, we need continuity. Woolford will be a tidy player for us but needs games. He is a natural left footer, and plays on the left. Love him or loathe him as a player, our one solid season came when McIndoe was left midfield....and solely left midfield. That wasnt because he was a great player, it was because he gave us natural balance and support. Agree with centre mid pairing to. Now, Im not Skuse's biggest fan....but for me, Skuse and Kilkenny should be middle two.....Elliott is not good enough im afraid. Great athelete, runs his socks off.....but can barely pass wind let alone pass a ball. Stead up top is a must as he specialises in holding the ball up. Great for possession retention....something we dont do enough of. We have the players here to keep us in this division....but we need to get back to absolute basics It's boring when we agree, mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Change the record Riaz, He knows that he needs defenders. He tried to get a couple but they went elsewhere. He was after Billy Jones from Crewe but he chose WBA and i believe there was another 2 ( rob jones and 1 other i think) that he tried to get but they went elsewhere. You can't just magic up a strong quick ball winning centre half that is within our budget. He has to try and get rid of some players first, players like Clarkson, Johnson, Hunt and Stewart that were signed by previous managers but no-one wants them ( alleg ). He has also had this maynard contract dispute going on which is holding everything up. If Maynard goes then we can probably go and sign someone for a fee but if he stays then he will prob have to look at a loan signing if he can move out some players. Not everything is football is as black and white as it seems. sorry can't agree these players opted for other clubs yes but we still had the 3 players millen signed on board when trying to get these other players so suddenlly we've gone from losing out to other clubs to having hands tied whats changed? Its another in a long line of excuses from millen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJC Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Quote from Millen... Millen has been unable to replace Steven Caulker, the commanding Tottenham centre-back who left at the end of last season, and he has now been told he must sell players before he can strengthen a defence that has conceded six goals in two games. In a brutally honest assessment of where his team is at, Millen conceded: "We need help and we need to bring in new players sooner rather than later. "We all know which positions need strengthening. We have known for a long time and nothing has changed. But my hands are tied, because I have been unable to get players out during the summer. "Everyone knows the players I would like to move on, but they are still here and, until the situation changes, I'm going to have to go with what I've got. We know what we need and the fact we cannot do anything about it at the moment is frustrating. "I'd love to bring in a couple of new faces, but it does not look as though that is going to happen at the moment and I'm going to have to get on with it." "We went into the game with the right shape and started quite well, but individual errors have cost us again. Players not tracking runners, others giving the ball away cheaply and others not getting tight are all making things too easy for the opposition.' A couple of things strike me from reading the above. In my opinion it is too soon, too knee jerk, to sack him after two games - treating this season's results in isolation as I am doing after being pretty unimpressed with last years efforts. However I read the above and just think 'go'. First of all the defenders weren't good enough, which we all knew as we actively sought reinforcements through the summer, then he was happy with what he had, and now we need outside help. The whole tone of the above is already very defeatest. Lines like 'I'm going to have to go with what I've got' serve absolutely no purpose but to dent the morale of current players at the club. If your boss came to you and said 'you know we're trying to replace you and that soon, if I get my way, you'll be gone but, you know, chin up, keep going', which is basically the situation, is it any wonder they're playing like an unorganised, disinterested rabble. This paragraph really bothers me; "I'd love to bring in a couple of new faces, but it does not look as though that is going to happen at the moment and I'm going to have to get on with it." I'm sorry but if this is where we are as a club something has to change. A manager coming out saying his board won't support him in the market without outgoings, conspiracy theories aside but if this is the case then the board are already writing his obituary, they are, whether deliberately or inadvertently, engineering his demise. It is absolute madness that we went out and signed a striker and a winger which have left us totally exposed defensively. I accept they're young prospects which can be seen as investments, but importantly the board clearly don't and either Millen was unaware of the severity of the financial situation or has been beyond naive. People constantly said, and I constantly agreed, targets sometimes cant be signed in priority order. Quite right, common sense, but suddenly we're in a position where strengthening unnecessary areas is ruthlessly exposing areas of genuine need, that is unacceptable and serious questions need to be asked as to how and why we got there. If there was a case as to why we should part company with Millen, and while it may not be entirely his fault, the above is it. There is suddenly, in my eyes, a very real chance he could be sacked within weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastend Fan Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Millen has to go, should have gone when GJ left, too long he has been a part of the problem (defensive coach ffs) not part of the solution. And never mind only 2 games into this season, he had almost all last season and the close season, only to see us under performing in pre-season against lower league times and arriving unprepared for the real thing - just like under copout. Too many bizarre team selection errors, like not starting Kilkenny, sticking Pitman left wing, prefering the ineffective Skuse to the reliable Cisse & even the continued cold shoulder of Hunt (who was one solid performer in pre-season by all accounts). Enough is enough, let's do a Norwich act decisively like they did after a cr@p start two seasons ago, dismiss Millen and start moving forward again! I'm not going to bother reading all the posts on this topic because there is toooo many. But I agree, Millen is not the answer and should have left with GJ. In times like this we need a manager who can rebuild a team, and who is strict and in control of a team. Someone the players need to respect, something Millen doesn't have. At the WBA friendly I think I saw half the team tell Millen off. Just not strong enough. My personal opinion anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 But as i keep stressing... what other manager is going to come in and want the job? No money of sorts to make the team his own, and he would be expected to use the players we have. How is he going to make the players we have any better? Regardless of formations and tactics, it is individual errors that are killing us. Many of the players basically aren't good enough. Any new manager would be staring down the barrell of a gun from day one. The only way i can see big improvement being made, is by SL digging deeper and bringing in quality players before others have gone. I don't ever think that will happen...but if the board want to risk going down, then so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whale Eye Beef Hooked Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 It was a random variant of it. Woolford or bolasie need to play, and stay left. Protecting the full backs is massively important. Skuse can't play with Elliot. Ever. Kilkenny, Johnson or Reid must start over at least one of those two to ensure there is an option (If anyone's gonna slag off LJ, he is better than no option at all) For the defence. Carey in the partner Wilson. Stick with it. Maynard and Stead up top. Pitman swapping with stead depending on oppo. Just want him to keep it simple, I want him to succeed. It is rare for a team to play with 2 out and out wingers that just sit out on the line.......you get over ran in the middle, i would start with Woolford if we play 4-4-2 an give him a run of ten games to see if he can produce some form. I think we play better when we get the balance right in a 4-3-3. Reid or Kilkenny would suit better in a 3 man middle. I don't blame KM for starting with Elliot and Skuse last week as Skuse had a very good pre-season and Kilkenny was carrying a knock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whale Eye Beef Hooked Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 sorry can't agree these players opted for other clubs yes but we still had the 3 players millen signed on board when trying to get these other players so suddenlly we've gone from losing out to other clubs to having hands tied whats changed? Its another in a long line of excuses from millen Like i said ...prob waiting for the Maynard situ to be sorted OR perhaps his job is on the line and SL won't sanction any more signings.. who knows ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwayBelieves Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 The club needs more than a defender or two.change is required now,not in two or three months time but now. James is bigger than Millen,any other club would have dropped him for the Cardiff game. Players playing out of position,to accomadate millens favourite players. KM seems a nice guy,but he is no manager,clearly one person has to make a decision regards the way the club is heading,and we all know who that is. We are and have gone backwards since those good days under Gary Johnson,yes it went stale at the end,but the club and supporters were one for a good chunk of his tenure.it was great for a good while under his management. Today the club is split in two, fans who want change the majority i would say,fans that are happy under the current manager,however that surely has to be dwindling now. it seems the backer and his board are sticking with millen at present. A serious concern if this going to happen,a long hard season battleing relagation is on the cards. No other club would of dropped their goalkeeper because of ONE bad game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Tansley Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 It is rare for a team to play with 2 out and out wingers that just sit out on the line.......you get over ran in the middle, i would start with Woolford if we play 4-4-2 an give him a run of ten games to see if he can produce some form. I think we play better when we get the balance right in a 4-3-3. Reid or Kilkenny would suit better in a 3 man middle. I don't blame KM for starting with Elliot and Skuse last week as Skuse had a very good pre-season and Kilkenny was carrying a knock. I said exactly that regarding Killkenny at the game last week, but Johnson or Reid should have played as last season proved that Skuse and Marv, good players as they are, cannot at together. I seem to recall us playing sproule and mcindoe on the chalk and us finishing 4th... In fact our form dipped when we stopped playing them wide and put Carle and Noble on the wing!!! Its strange that we had such an abundance of players who could play in the hole and now we have none, Noble, Williams, Trundle, Carle... We need to play as a team and have links between defence and midfield and midfield and attack. Noble and Johnson. Killkenny and ?? :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Like i said ...prob waiting for the Maynard situ to be sorted OR perhaps his job is on the line and SL won't sanction any more signings.. who knows ? I think its more likely this "You've signed players that aren't even getting in the squad why should we let you sign more only for them to be surplus to requirements" as in Taylor Balsie and Woolford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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