MichaelRobartes Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Nice to see you missed out the part where Ireland sent a letter of condolences to Germany, when hitler died. DeV visited the German ambassador in Dublin to pass on his condolences. An act in keeping with the Free State's neutrality but, in my view at least, a shameful one all the same. The Free State's neutrality was an ambivalent one. British planes and boats were allowed to enter Irish space whilst Axis planes and boats were not (though some of course did). British pilots who landed in the Free State were often smuggled back across the border whilst Axis pilots certainly were not. The Free State also helped to facilitate the movement of tens of thousands of Irish men and women into Britain's armed forces and munitions factories. This was all on the sly, and much has been written on the 'double game' that DeV was forced to play during the war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fj08 Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 De valeras was a ****** and a terrorist ***** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy31 Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 If you know yer history forgive the pun you would know the Ira helped to guide the bombers fact I see. Is your point that the IRA are anti-British? In what way did they help to guide the bombers? And by the way, putting "fact" at the end of a sentence doesn't make it true. E.g. Alan Curbishley is buying the house next to my best mate, fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fj08 Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 DeV visited the German ambassador in Dublin to pass on his condolences. An act in keeping with the Free State's neutrality but, in my view at least, a shameful one all the same. The Free State's neutrality was an ambivalent one. British planes and boats were allowed to enter Irish space whilst Axis planes and boats were not (though some of course did). British pilots who landed in the Free State were often smuggled back across the border whilst Axis pilots certainly were not. The Free State also helped to facilitate the movement of tens of thousands of Irish men and women into Britain's armed forces and munitions factories. This was all on the sly, and much has been written on the 'double game' that DeV was forced to play during the war.they also had a plan to join up with hitlers lot ,and the uboats were refuled and the bombers were guided in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fj08 Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 I see. Is your point that the IRA are anti-British? In what way did they help to guide the bombers? And by the way, putting "fact" at the end of a sentence doesn't make it true. E.g. Alan Curbishley is buying the house next to my best mate, fact.fair enough ,there was docu on last year itv should get it on youtube all about the ira and there antics during the earlu days of ww2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leftwingfullback Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 I see. Is your point that the IRA are anti-British? In what way did they help to guide the bombers? And by the way, putting "fact" at the end of a sentence doesn't make it true. E.g. Alan Curbishley is buying the house next to my best mate, fact. The documentary fj08 is on about was a good watch, about the ira wanting to team up with the nazis when they invaded Northern Ireland, before the Germans then invaded the mainland. Have you seen it yourself? It was a very good show. I will have a look for that book, not sure I will agree with most of it, but certainly worth a read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy31 Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 they also had a plan to join up with hitlers lot ,and the uboats were refuled and the bombers were guided in The IRA certainly were keen to support the Germans and much of the Catholic population of Northern Ireland felt strongly about conscription. However, they were not in a position to be able to communicate with the Germans. Information discovered after the war suggests that the Luftwaffe did all the planning for their raids on Belfast independently. There are stories, lots of them, about German sailors in Ireland during the war, but none of them stand up to scrutiny. David Fisk has done a lot of investigation in to this story. There is a link to one of his stories in an earlier post fair enough ,there was docu on last year itv should get it on youtube all about the ira and there antics during the earlu days of ww2 Can you provide a link please. I wouldn't argue that the IRA were very anti-British and were supporting the Germans. However, that is the IRA and not Ireland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fj08 Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Ive no problem with irish people what so ever, half my mates are prodyy half are catholic thats how it is , my only problem is with people who support terrorist and openly mock this countrys fighting men, just thought id say that before ni nights GSTQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy31 Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 The documentary fj08 is on about was a good watch, about the ira wanting to team up with the nazis when they invaded Northern Ireland, before the Germans then invaded the mainland. Have you seen it yourself? It was a very good show. I will have a look for that book, not sure I will agree with most of it, but certainly worth a read. For another point of view on the de Valera story, you could try this website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy31 Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Ive no problem with irish people what so ever, half my mates are prodyy half are catholic thats how it is , my only problem is with people who support terrorist and openly mock this countrys fighting men, just thought id say that before ni nights GSTQ I've no problem with condemning terrorism and people who mock our forces. I have a problem with people joining an internet witch-hunt (and I apologise for the emotive language) when there is no evidence of any wrong-doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Still no for the allegation of chants about the killing of Lee Rigby, then. I wonder who made that one up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 True but there's a lot of sheep thesedays who just follow everyone else and can't form their own opinion. I don't really care of the reasoning behind it sir I am merely saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwired Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 I despise Celtic my mate who was into them asked me to go up on supporters bus with him, this was late eighties, all songs sung were anti British pro IRA hardly any of your normal football songs were sung, and when they were done singing shit, rebel songs would be played on bus stereo. Yet all these guys lived and worked in England, but worse was to come went for a few beers around stadium and the buckets came out for the cause, to this day the most horrible football experience I ever had to endure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fj08 Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 Still no for the allegation of chants about the killing of Lee Rigby, then. I wonder who made that one up?look around the brentford forum and stop being boring ,thats all you got to say and stick yer silly little flags and shit all over the page think you better move on and leave this one alone as you clearly havnt got a clue go and guess the crowd or summut, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Casual Connoisseur Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 I despise Celtic my mate who was into them asked me to go up on supporters bus with him, this was late eighties, all songs sung were anti British pro IRA hardly any of your normal football songs were sung, and when they were done singing shit, rebel songs would be played on bus stereo. Yet all these guys lived and worked in England, but worse was to come went for a few beers around stadium and the buckets came out for the cause, to this day the most horrible football experience I ever had to endure. Completely agree, disgusting, if they don't like it in England and they clearly don't then Ireland is where these scum bags should go, how can they live their lives in a place they detest, must be awful for them. That said there are plenty of Irish who love the UK and want nothing to do with scum like that, for those and any race that embraces our culture our doors are wide open and we welcome you, after all this country would be nothing without immigration (in reason), a that's a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Cyril Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 Before we delve into the socio-political history of Ireland at degree level, should we not try to sort out the punctuation at year two level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 Completely agree, disgusting, if they don't like it in England and they clearly don't then Ireland is where these scum bags should go, how can they live their lives in a place they detest, must be awful for them. That said there are plenty of Irish who love the UK and want nothing to do with scum like that, for those and any race that embraces our culture our doors are wide open and we welcome you, after all this country would be nothing without immigration (in reason), a that's a fact. Lots of people don't like the country they are living in: that's why they seek to change it. If everyone left a country because they didn't like it, then presumably the world would be dominated by totalitarianism. We have little to be proud of when it comes to the treatment of the Irish over the centuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 look around the brentford forum and stop being boring ,thats all you got to say and stick yer silly little flags and shit all over the page think you better move on and leave this one alone as you clearly havnt got a clue go and guess the crowd or summut, Not going to answer then. Thought not. Do you seriously think that it wouldn't have been reported in the media if Celtic fans had gloated over Lee Rigby's death? I'm beginning to believe that it's a lie put about by semi-literate bigots like yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Casual Connoisseur Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 Lots of people don't like the country they are living in: that's why they seek to change it. If everyone left a country because they didn't like it, then presumably the world would be dominated by totalitarianism. We have little to be proud of when it comes to the treatment of the Irish over the centuries. A massive difference between vitriolic hatred and not liking something. The Irish that came and settled did so through circumstance (famine), these new breed, 2nd/3rd/4th generation can quite easily return to their motherland, they have a choice. Hardly totalitariasm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrddavies Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 is fj08 a wum or just an idiot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moloch Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 is fj08 a wum or just an idiot? It would be mean to call a person an idiot with out any evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTID 72 Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 From various celtc (sic) forums: And for the guy peddling the myth that they only sing about the 1916 IRA and not the provos a pic from Brentford : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moloch Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 look around the brentford forum and stop being boring ,thats all you got to say and stick yer silly little flags and shit all over the page think you better move on and leave this one alone as you clearly havnt got a clue go and guess the crowd or summut, Do you know what? I did look at the Brentford forum. There are a few posters saying that there was chanting about Lee Rigby, but by far the majority are people telling them to shut up. It seemed to me that there were a few (3?) WUM's on their boards (one had spelling a lot like you), trying to start something. But mostly people were saying they heard nothing of the sort. By the way, have you tried to read your own posts? Do they make sense to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezgimed Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 Are we really 5 pages in discussion on Celtic, Celtic Fans, IRA and Religion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team In Keynsham Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 is fj08 a wum or just an idiot? Personally I think he is both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hortonred Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 Show me any credible evidence that Celtic fans said anything at all about Lee Rigby and I will condemn it. Once again I say - not Twitter, please. Keep that head buried in the sand mate and pretend those nice Celtic fans do nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTID 72 Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 Show me any credible evidence that Celtic fans said anything at all about Lee Rigby and I will condemn it. Once again I say - not Twitter, please. See my post above. Hopefully that's credible enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cider army1981 Posted July 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 From various celtc (sic) forums: And for the guy peddling the myth that they only sing about the 1916 IRA and not the provos a pic from Brentford : Like I say how any Englishman defend or support them baffles me!!!! Scum of the earth!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Casual Connoisseur Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 From various celtc (sic) forums: And for the guy peddling the myth that they only sing about the 1916 IRA and not the provos a pic from Brentford : I'm a completely sickened and disgusted, and to think we have people on this forum that believed nothing was said and that Celtic fans are blameless. Utter scum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 It would be mean to call a person an idiot with out any evidence. What, you mean he might just be a WUM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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