Esmond Million's Bung Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 Ed Balls up! if he didn't like Miliband before I bet he ******* well hates him now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 Ummmm, because its really important? Start looking for jobs with private healthcare insurance now I reckon. My family have used NHS services a lot over the past two years. Seems OK to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 Ed Balls up! Fk off Balls and take your 50% tax rate with you!!!!! City promoted and Conservative majority Government. This 2015 is going ok.. Now let's put that 45% rate back to 40%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoke_Gifford_Red Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 Like all these things, it was the decision of a minority of the British people. The correct decision would have been to bring in a degree of proportional representation when we had the chance, then you could make claims like that. To be honest, even if this decision went against my vote, I could accept such a bit easier with a fairer electoral system. I'm sure UKIP, Green and Labour supporters might agree. UKIP, Greens and Lib Dems all got less MPs than their vote would suggest - the SNP, Conservative and Labour actually got more MPs than their votes would get under proportional representation. Source FT:https://twitter.com/elliot_bentley/status/596550310044262400 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 Like all these things, it was the decision of a minority of the British people. The correct decision would have been to bring in a degree of proportional representation when we had the chance, then you could make claims like that. To be honest, even if this decision went against my vote, I could accept such a bit easier with a fairer electoral system. I'm sure UKIP, Green and Labour supporters might agree. Your sounding desperate Robbo, that particular vote was lost 2 to 1. I don't think you would be so vocal about this if labour had elected an electable leader. They should have creamed this election. Strangely the most vocal labour MP's criticising Miliband said that he took the party to far away from Blairism and into territory that has not been popular since the heady days of Harold Wilson. Anyway spare a thought for me, i've still got 2 more years of the most unpopular and catastrophic socialist government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 I only read his first sentence then gave up. The decision of the British people is absolutely the correct decision. The decision of 1 third of the British people Have to say its a very disappointing result for a lefty liberal like myself, but there's no point criticising the result; it is what it is and under the system, The Tories are going to win the election and that has to be respected. It once again, however, highlights how arcane and broken our political system is and that is what has to change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 Your sounding desperate Robbo, that particular vote was lost 2 to 1. I don't think you would be so vocal about this if labour had elected an electable leader. They should have creamed this election. Strangely the most vocal labour MP's criticising Miliband said that he took the party to far away from Blairism and into territory that has not been popular since the heady days of Harold Wilson. Anyway spare a thought for me, i've still got 2 more years of the most unpopular and catastrophic socialist government. I don't vote Labour, Esmond. I have supported PR for many years. Probably for as long as I have been interested in politics. Re: your second sentence. Not really what Ken Livingstone or many of the interviewees this morning are saying. Old Blairites gonna love Blair but to be honest the debate has moved on from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 Hey at least we have democracy. Men and women fought for not so long ago! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezgimed Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 Four more years of austerity for ordinary people. Hundreds of thousands out of work. Can you explain these points a bit more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 Party politics aside, thank funk we don't have to hear that odious liar Ed Balls dodging responsibility any more. I'm apprehensive about a tory majority but really if you ignore the dogma and partisan points of view and look at the differences in spending plans and manifestos the differences between red and blue (in politics at least) are minimal. No need for hysteria, not much will change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 Hey at least we have democracy. Men and women fought for not so long ago! Indeed. The result is always the correct one because it's the one the people have said. Great result for the country in my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoke_Gifford_Red Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 Fk off Balls and take your 50% tax rate with you!!!!! City promoted and Conservative majority Government. This 2015 is going ok.. Now let's put that 45% rate back to 40%. I think that is highly unlikely for political reasons, that will just give the Conservatives opponents an additional excuse to paint them as the party of the rich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 Can you explain these points a bit more? Osborne's plan always acknowledged that the majority of the cuts he says are necessarily to reduce the deficit would not fall in the last parliament, but in the first two or three years of this. These are quite severe reductions in unprotected departments expenditure (and even protected departments like health and education may have to make some cuts if costs exceed inflation) That will make lots of people unemployed. For example, some estimates suggest there will be 2/3 of as many police officers in 2018 than there was in 2010. Party of law and order. Right. When people lose jobs they spend less and that knocks on to everyone else. Demand is lowered. Mrs Thatcher turned her recession around by a "big bang" in the financial industry - deregulation - but that isn't an option open to Cameron as that was what led us ultimately to the 2008 crash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Monkeh Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 I hate the tories but all of the other partys were unelectable, UKIP is just the BNP in a purple suit, Lib Dems sold their soul to get into bed with the tories for a chance at power, Labour leadership and front bench is weak, the tories are the best of a bad bunch of ****s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Esmond Million's Bung Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 I don't vote Labour, Esmond. I have supported PR for many years. Probably for as long as I have been interested in politics. Re: your second sentence. Not really what Ken Livingstone or many of the interviewees this morning are saying. Old Blairites gonna love Blair but to be honest the debate has moved on from there. Livingstone is yesterdays man, last night at least 3 labour MP's publicly acknowledged what I said and more than a few who were still clinging on to the fantasy that the exit poll was wrong intimated it as well. I hate the tories but all of the other partys were unelectable, UKIP is just the BNP in a purple suit, Lib Dems sold their soul to get into bed with the tories for a chance at power, Labour leadership and front bench is weak, the tories are the best of a bad bunch of ****s So you would have deeply uncomfortable with a minority labour government propped up by the SNP?. You are correct labour's front bench is incredibly weak and Harman should certainly be dumped to the back benches IMO she is a liability, but the bottom line is labour elected the wrong man again. I bet his brother went through a giant box of tissues watching from New York. One interesting thing even the nasty tory press didn't predict what has happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoke_Gifford_Red Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 Osborne's plan always acknowledged that the majority of the cuts he says are necessarily to reduce the deficit would not fall in the last parliament, but in the first two or three years of this. These are quite severe reductions in unprotected departments expenditure (and even protected departments like health and education may have to make some cuts if costs exceed inflation) That will make lots of people unemployed. For example, some estimates suggest there will be 2/3 of as many police officers in 2018 than there was in 2010. Party of law and order. Right. When people lose jobs they spend less and that knocks on to everyone else. Demand is lowered. Mrs Thatcher turned her recession around by a "big bang" in the financial industry - deregulation - but that isn't an option open to Cameron as that was what led us ultimately to the 2008 crash. Couple of points. Crime is falling globally (there are various theories why) so it might be the case that we can get away with less police officers. I agree with the theory of austerity reducing demand, but I suppose it depends on whether it can be offset by growth in th private sector. As for boosts to demand, it will be interesting to see what the Tories are able to do - at the beginning of the government there was to be "the march of the makers" and "rebalancing" but that didn't provide growth so the housing market was pumped instead (funding for lending, help to buy etc) which gave a boost to consumer spending over the last year or so but there is evidence this is now also slowing down. Finally, there was a boost to spending from lower energy costs for example oil fell from $110 per barrel to $50 per barrel, yet this is also being reversed with oil now at $70 per barrel and rising; so that boost will also disappear (petrol prices are expected to increase over the coming weeks and wholesale energy prices indicate that gas and electricity prices may also start to increase once again before 2015 is out). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 Livingstone is yesterdays man, last night at least 3 labour MP's publicly acknowledged what I said and more than a few who were still clinging on to the fantasy that the exit poll was wrong intimated it as well. So you would have deeply uncomfortable with a minority labour government propped up by the SNP?. You are correct labour's front bench is incredibly weak and Harman should certainly be dumped to the back benches IMO she is a liability, but the bottom line is labour elected the wrong man again. I bet his brother went through a giant box of tissues watching from New York. One interesting thing even the nasty tory press didn't predict what has happened. yes i would of, and tbh I can't see DC lasting the full 5 year term, he upset alot of people in his party but had the lib dem vote to get his stuff trhough, he doesn't have that now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 Ummmm, because its really important? Start looking for jobs with private healthcare insurance now I reckon. I work for a Global Pharma company and it's the best industry to be in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 I work for a Global Pharma company and it's the best industry to be in. You haven't worked for the railways then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 Livingstone is yesterdays man, last night at least 3 labour MP's publicly acknowledged what I said and more than a few who were still clinging on to the fantasy that the exit poll was wrong intimated it as well. I think if you expect a return to a New Labour you are wrong. That shouty mad bloke who has been posting on this thread had something right when he said Labour has lost the confidence of working class people. That's why you get Labour comfortably holding Hampstead & Highgate, but the Conservatives picking up seats in the poorest county of the UK - Cornwall. Somerset people, on average, earn far below the national average, yet have voted en mass for the Conservatives. If Labour is ever to win again, it needs to reconnect with their traditional voters. In the south-west substitute Lib Dems for Labour in that thought.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoke_Gifford_Red Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 Sorry. I do not think being in the top 1.6% of earners makes you "middle" of anything. What is true is that a lot of very modestly paid workers - teachers, building workers, cabbies, are dragged into the 40% tax bracket. People earning under 40K just shouldn't be in that rate. even if you don't put them down to 20%, a new 30% or something rate for these middle-iincome earners is fairer. Won't happen though. Must agree with you there - plus I believe its the top 1.6% of TAXPAYERS so in reality when accounting for those who don't pay tax (retired, students, looking after family etc) the percentage of the electorate paying 45% is even less. Politically the Conservatives can't do anything to be seen to be the "party of the rich". In this election, on average they lost votes to Labour who had leaders who could be described as "weak". The only reason the Conservative vote went up at all was due to the Lib Dem collapse - next time this won't be repeated and if anything we may see a bounce back to the Lib Dems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 I think if you expect a return to a New Labour you are wrong. That shouty mad bloke who has been posting on this thread had something right when he said Labour has lost the confidence of working class people. That's why you get Labour comfortably holding Hampstead & Highgate, but the Conservatives picking up seats in the poorest county of the UK - Cornwall. Somerset people, on average, earn far below the national average, yet have voted en mass for the Conservatives. If Labour is ever to win again, it needs to reconnect with their traditional voters. In the south-west substitute Lib Dems for Labour in that thought.... Somerset always vote conservative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 yes i would of, and tbh I can't see DC lasting the full 5 year term, he upset alot of people in his party but had the lib dem vote to get his stuff trhough, he doesn't have that now Fixed 5 year term says that he will last a full term and if he can force through an English votes for English matters, it won't matter much anyway. labour and all the other parties have a real problem, in as much as if they just vote against every tory proposal ad hoc, the public will see that as just being disruptive. I think if you expect a return to a New Labour you are wrong. That shouty mad bloke who has been posting on this thread had something right when he said Labour has lost the confidence of working class people. That's why you get Labour comfortably holding Hampstead & Highgate, but the Conservatives picking up seats in the poorest county of the UK - Cornwall. Somerset people, on average, earn far below the national average, yet have voted en mass for the Conservatives. If Labour is ever to win again, it needs to reconnect with their traditional voters. In the south-west substitute Lib Dems for Labour in that thought.... That's not what I said, I said too far in the other direction. Miliband did try to re connect and it failed miserably, labour tried to connect with these people in the shape of Foot and Kinnock twice. of course but the libs/lib dums/social democrats have been down this route before and could squeeze labour in the south west as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 Somerset always vote conservative Actually it had 5 Lib Dem seats - 6 before 2010. And it had a Lib Dem controlled county council from 1993 to 2009 as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jimmer Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 My family have used NHS services a lot over the past two years. Seems OK to me Maybe but its already bad in some areas and will get worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 Fixed 5 year term says that he will last a full term and if he can force through an English votes for English matters, it won't matter much anyway. labour and all the other parties have a real problem, in as much as if they just vote against every tory proposal ad hoc, the public will see that as just being disruptive. That's not what I said, I said too far in the other direction. Miliband did try to re connect and it failed miserably, labour tried to connect with these people in the shape of Foot and Kinnock twice. of course but the libs/lib dums/social democrats have been down this route before and could squeeze labour in the south west as well. Fair enough Es. I didn't get your implication. It's been a long night for us working.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 Maybe but its already bad in some areas and will get worse. And it was bad in some areas before 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 I doubt the lib dems will bounce back ether I think thats it for them as a party Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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