RumRed Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 8 hours ago, Northern Red said: I blame Lee Johnson. Sounds like you might be right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Well if what I'm surmising from this thread's correct (I have no knowledge at all on this topic) I'm even more surprised that our coaching set up is yet to be changed. F'ing amateur hour yet again at AG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, RumRed said: Well if what I'm surmising from this thread's correct (I have no knowledge at all on this topic) I'm even more surprised that our coaching set up is yet to be changed. F'ing amateur hour yet again at AG. FFS don't let Tammy drive the coach! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 1 minute ago, BRISTOL86 said: FFS don't let Tammy drive the coach! Depends on who's on it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 44 minutes ago, Dollymarie said: The club didn't know he shouldn't be driving. Guess it's not something they habitually check. Not like us when we start a new job and have to provide proof of ID, i.e. Driving license etc. Maybe they will now. Only if you want to claim business mileage at jobs I've done. Which is probably not a concern when you're on ten grand a week. Storm in a teacup. Everybody has driven friends' cars, or let friends drive their cars, and you don't go asking them for their insurance documents. Slap on the wrist, few grand fine, don't do it again, should have the required effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobfish Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 This raises concerns. One person who obviously knew Tammy (allegedly) couldn’t drive is Tammy. Anyone who thinks LJ knew Tammy wasn’t (allegedly) allowed to drive and then advised him to drive is moronic. After all the hoops LJ and MA jumped through to get Tammy they would no doubt have loved to show Chelsea they were caring for their player by getting him a chauffer, Scotty to taxi him, or even lift share, a perfect opportunity to help the player integrate. Christ, a bloody bus ticket. They want to be in Chelsea’s golden folder of clubs to loan talent to. And after Luke A was (allegedly) eased out of the club for (allegedly) being present at pissgate, to then suggest the club actively advised Tammy to drive when he was (allegedly) disqualified, is, again, beyond moronic, even for this forum. The real question is did Chelsea know? You would assume that if they did they would have mentioned it, “by the way, cars are bad,” especially as they keep detailed dossiers on all their loans. Regular updates. Don’t forget, this is a business to them and the players are assets. Look what happened with that player at the gas who they thought wasn’t getting enough games? They took him back, asap. So the real question is has Tammy (allegedly) been less than truthful to his parent club…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted February 9, 2017 Admin Share Posted February 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said: Storm in a teacup. Everybody has driven friends' cars, or let friends drive their cars, and you don't go asking them for their insurance It's not a storm in a teacup, what about the other parties involved, it'll be a pain in the arse for them dealing with an uninsured Driver. Why bother to have licences and insurance at all if it's such a trifling matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said: It's not a storm in a teacup, what about the other parties involved, it'll be a pain in the arse for them dealing with an uninsured Driver. Why bother to have licences and insurance at all if it's such a trifling matter. No, you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 2 hours ago, Red Army 87 said: I don't like saying this because I thought it was right that he went, but I just couldn't see this sort of thing happening if Cotts was in charge still. Just the odd punch up on the training ground (allegedly) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globe Trotter Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Dollymarie said: The club didn't know he shouldn't be driving. Guess it's not something they habitually check. Not like us when we start a new job and have to provide proof of ID, i.e. Driving license etc. Maybe they will now. I guess there is no need for a football club to require their players to provide driving licence ID as driving is not part of a footballer's role with the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globe Trotter Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 16 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Just the odd punch up on the training ground (allegedly) Not just at the training ground (allegedly) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redordead1 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 1 hour ago, RumRed said: Well if what I'm surmising from this thread's correct (I have no knowledge at all on this topic) I'm even more surprised that our coaching set up is yet to be changed. F'ing amateur hour yet again at AG. Trying to piece this together.. Alledgedly was TA running late for training and advised by LJ to use/borrow AM's car? if so, was LJ aware tha TA was already banned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Eddie Hitler said: Only if you want to claim business mileage at jobs I've done. Which is probably not a concern when you're on ten grand a week. Storm in a teacup. Everybody has driven friends' cars, or let friends drive their cars, and you don't go asking them for their insurance documents. Slap on the wrist, few grand fine, don't do it again, should have the required effect. If you let people drive your car without knowing if they're insured, you're a nut job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 12 minutes ago, redordead1 said: Trying to piece this together.. Alledgedly was TA running late for training and advised by LJ to use/borrow AM's car? if so, was LJ aware tha TA was already banned? I have no knowledge at all, I'm trying to read between the lines of the posters that do know stuff. sounds a shambles though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawberry2157. Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Bobfish said: This raises concerns. One person who obviously knew Tammy (allegedly) couldn’t drive is Tammy. Anyone who thinks LJ knew Tammy wasn’t (allegedly) allowed to drive and then advised him to drive is moronic. After all the hoops LJ and MA jumped through to get Tammy they would no doubt have loved to show Chelsea they were caring for their player by getting him a chauffer, Scotty to taxi him, or even lift share, a perfect opportunity to help the player integrate. Christ, a bloody bus ticket. They want to be in Chelsea’s golden folder of clubs to loan talent to. And after Luke A was (allegedly) eased out of the club for (allegedly) being present at pissgate, to then suggest the club actively advised Tammy to drive when he was (allegedly) disqualified, is, again, beyond moronic, even for this forum. The real question is did Chelsea know? You would assume that if they did they would have mentioned it, “by the way, cars are bad,” especially as they keep detailed dossiers on all their loans. Regular updates. Don’t forget, this is a business to them and the players are assets. Look what happened with that player at the gas who they thought wasn’t getting enough games? They took him back, asap. So the real question is has Tammy (allegedly) been less than truthful to his parent club…. Car sharing wouldn't have been difficult as Tomo lives in the same building!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 44 minutes ago, tommy32 said: I guess there is no need for a football club to require their players to provide driving licence ID as driving is not part of a footballer's role with the club Everything will be checked by a club like Chelsea, and I'd hope even us. Even in my crappy job I get regular credit checks and the like. You really think the club wouldn't know if he had no licence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossi the Robin Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Please let's not blame LJ for this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 11 hours ago, MC RISK77 said: Ah the plot thickens for : .. 'plot' thickens.. read : .. CLOT thickens.. .. definitely a clot .. maybe a twoc ? Wonder what odds the bookies will offer on Abraham taking a minimum of at least One More Penalty this season... ? (gotta be a dead cert!) STUPIDSTUPIDSTUPIDSTUPIDSTUPIDSTUPIDSTUPIDSTUPIDSTUPID I D I O T! (just a thought ..is LJ somewhat to blame for Abraham becoming overused to being upfront alone.... ?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 I havnt read through the all the posts but im out there working paying my car tax and insurance etc yet some bloke on about 8k a week jumps in a car without any qualification to do so and has a crash,which luckily didnt kill a child or anyone else. Im not going to make any excuses for him as its pretty disgusting and very disappointing in my view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Constant Rabbit Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 3 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Just the odd punch up on the training ground (allegedly) *cough* Fredericks in the change room *cough* Don't mess with Mark "don't come all billy big-bollox with me" Little. Allegedly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 6 hours ago, RumRed said: Everything will be checked by a club like Chelsea, and I'd hope even us. Even in my crappy job I get regular credit checks and the like. You really think the club wouldn't know if he had no licence? Credit checks...really .? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 7 hours ago, oldrosie said: I saw an interview a few weeks ago. Most footballers have no idea about insurance, tax bills, invoices, etc because their agents do it all for them. Evidently Gazza hadn't had to pay a bill in his life. Rather sad but that is how things are ... I think Gazza was rather exceptional. I heard Terry Venables recounting how Gazza used to phone him up saying that his heating / water wasn't working and he didn't know what to do. Terry wasn't saying that this was a standard thing for players; quite the reverse. Mario Balotelli struck me as being similar. 6 hours ago, Leveller said: If you let people drive your car without knowing if they're insured, you're a nut job. I wouldn't now, but if you are in your early 20s and in a lads culture of money and cars where everything gets sorted for you then you can see it not even crossing your mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cider-Head23 Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 11 hours ago, EnclosureSurge said: What X distance in 3 months? That's not travelling very fast. Great. Good for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 47 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said: I wouldn't now, but if you are in your early 20s and in a lads culture of money and cars where everything gets sorted for you then you can see it not even crossing your mind. I think the key point here is that he was banned from driving. Jumping in a mates car with his blessing without insurance is one thing but driving without a licence in his position is plain moronic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: I think the key point here is that he was banned from driving. Jumping in a mates car with his blessing without insurance is one thing but driving without a licence in his position is plain moronic. Ok, I hadn't picked up that he was banned. Yes, bit bloody stupid then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globe Trotter Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 7 hours ago, RumRed said: Everything will be checked by a club like Chelsea, and I'd hope even us. Even in my crappy job I get regular credit checks and the like. You really think the club wouldn't know if he had no licence? I'm sure clubs do due diligence and conduct detailed background checks on players, personally would just be surprised if this included details about their driving status (unless they had a driving conviction for example) - happy to be proved wrong though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Doozerchris said: Credit checks...really .? Fairly standard if you work in finance. Relates to anti money laundering, bribery and fraud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loco Rojo Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 13 hours ago, bristolcitysweden said: Probably the pressure. A 19 year old has been carrying a bunch of cowards for months. Bristol Sport included. I'm worrying about you mate - you're getting very angry on here recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redmycolour Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 16 hours ago, RobintheRed Red said: yes a Gashead on the banter page called ironically DAVID LARGE giving it large saying he should be locked up Sorry lads.totally agree I know I'm going to get hammered for this BUT, no licence no insurance shouldn't be on the road.no excuses .i know he plays for Bristol City but deserves all he gets.and I'm a season tkt holder at Bristol city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 The bit that worries me is that he's allegedly been driving throughout his ban and this was not a one-off. this is actually pretty serious.. Another question for sone of you more informed ones. Are the cars theirs, or are they pool / company cars, where insurance cover is under a club scheme? I'm sure some p,suers gave their own, but I once saw Korey rock up in a little runaround, not a footballers car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Septic Peg Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, Davefevs said: The bit that worries me is that he's allegedly been driving throughout his ban and this was not a one-off. this is actually pretty serious.. Another question for sone of you more informed ones. Are the cars theirs, or are they pool / company cars, where insurance cover is under a club scheme? I'm sure some p,suers gave their own, but I once saw Korey rock up in a little runaround, not a footballers car. As far as I know Fevs, most of the cars are on a loan deal for next to nothing (ie free publicity if footballer is papped driving one of their cars). Some like Flint I think have gone on and bought them but most are loaned to the players. I think when it comes to insurance, either the garage covers it or the player gets their own. Can vaguely remember a thread on here years and years ago about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Septic Peg said: As far as I know Fevs, most of the cars are on a loan deal for next to nothing (ie free publicity if footballer is papped driving one of their cars). Some like Flint I think have gone on and bought them but most are loaned to the players. I think when it comes to insurance, either the garage covers it or the player gets their own. Can vaguely remember a thread on here years and years ago about it. Marlon Harewood was/is involved with a company who supply high performance cars to footballers and other celebrities, he definitely sorted out a few of our squad when he was here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bianconeri Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 1 hour ago, BRISTOL86 said: I think the key point here is that he was banned from driving. Jumping in a mates car with his blessing without insurance is one thing but driving without a licence in his position is plain moronic. Frankly, driving without insurance would carry the greater penalty because of the potential implications in the event of an accident. Driving while disqualified is also pretty serious, especially with a young driver. The careless driving that will follow after a crash is the least of his worries. If guilty he'll be off the road for a good while longer and get a stinging fine, maybe even a community order. He's been stupid, but no reason to pillory the club. If he worked for a bank or insurance company would they be getting criticised? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawberry2157. Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Northern Red said: Marlon Harewood was/is involved with a company who supply high performance cars to footballers and other celebrities, he definitely sorted out a few of our squad when he was here. I know Tommo & Flint still use him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 16 minutes ago, Bianconeri said: Frankly, driving without insurance would carry the greater penalty because of the potential implications in the event of an accident. Driving while disqualified is also pretty serious, especially with a young driver. The careless driving that will follow after a crash is the least of his worries. If guilty he'll be off the road for a good while longer and get a stinging fine, maybe even a community order. He's been stupid, but no reason to pillory the club. If he worked for a bank or insurance company would they be getting criticised? Agreed. Unless the club knew of his ban and endorsed his behaviour, which I'm sure they wouldn't have............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 I'm not defending him in any way at all. He broke the law, a law which is there to protect others as well as himself, but he probably didn't give it much thought. He's a valued asset to his parent club, never mind us. Chelsea are mega rich and quite forgiving, he knows that the club will sort it out for him, that's the problem he doesn't have to take responsibility. He has the money and is almost non disposable. The only thing he hasn't got is his freedom to be able to drive himself (don't underestimate that) and he hopefully has the shame that he broke the law and many will now know he's an utter idiot. This will affect him in one way or another for years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippin cider Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Fact is he earns enough to get some driving lessons, pass his test , and drive legally ...no need for this at all ...and now he'll have points on his license before he's even turned a wheel! ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoh Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 12 hours ago, SuperDziek said: There is bugger all in Sunderland! thought that was Brighton! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl&Toby Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Let's face it. Footballers aren't blessed with brains or intelligence. The only talent most of them seem to have is kicking a ball about or retweeting meaningless nonsense. Some have tattoos. Some have interesting haircuts or hipster beards. Some drive white 4x4s or other pointless cars. Some have ladies on their arms. The thing few have is intelligence. Loads of money and all the trappings that go with it. Am I surprised to read about Tammy? Not really. Disappointed but not really surprised. Anyway let's hope they're all up for the next few weeks...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Lucky he did it now. Aren't motoring fines going up soon to reflect level of earnings or is that just for minor infringements? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 11 minutes ago, wendyredredrobin said: Lucky he did it now. Aren't motoring fines going up soon to reflect level of earnings or is that just for minor infringements? Is minor infringement one of those noncing things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 If it's true and he gets done for driving whilst banned, driving without insurance and careless or dangerous driving, this could result in him swapping goals for gaols. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 31 minutes ago, wendyredredrobin said: Lucky he did it now. Aren't motoring fines going up soon to reflect level of earnings or is that just for minor infringements? They do now (Relate to Income) If he is disqualified already (I'm confused as to where this suggestion emanates from) that (Driving whilst disqualified) will be the most serious of the offences Sentencing guidelines Full period expired but retest not taken Low level community order Band C fine to medium level community order 6 points or disqualify for 3 – 6 months Lengthy period of ban already served High level community order Medium level community order to 12 weeks custody Lengthen disqualification for 6 – 12 months beyond expiry of current ban Recently imposed ban 12 weeks custody High level community order to 26 weeks custody Lengthen disqualification for 12 – 18 months beyond expiry of current ban Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In the Net Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 45 minutes ago, Slippin cider said: Fact is he earns enough to get some driving lessons, pass his test , and drive legally ...no need for this at all ...and now he'll have points on his license before he's even turned a wheel! ... From reading this thread, it sounds as though he's already done that, then been banned for accumulation of 6 speeding points less than 2 years after passing his test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 How has this got nothing to do with the clubs?? You give a very young man £100,000's of pounds - enough to buy any car on the planet, it an environment when virtually all similar players drive around in 500 hp cars, and we are surprised when this sort of thing happens? He might be the one behind the wheel, but the clubs have their neck well and truly in the noose for 'failure to guide' and mentor these young athletes. Does it reflect in City and Chelsea? Absolutely. tfj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodjias Wrist Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Taxi for Johnson said: How has this got nothing to do with the clubs?? You give a very young man £100,000's of pounds - enough to buy any car on the planet, it an environment when virtually all similar players drive around in 500 hp cars, and we are surprised when this sort of thing happens? He might be the one behind the wheel, but the clubs have their neck well and truly in the noose for 'failure to guide' and mentor these young athletes. Does it reflect in City and Chelsea? Absolutely. tfj So your basically saying its LJs fault right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 No: I said the clubs. My personal opinion might be that it is partly LJ's fault, but I have no wish to fan the flames on that particular grudge. LJ would not behave like Tammy did, as he could not reach the accelerator pedal to push it down that far. In this respect, you might even say LJ is innocent. I can't say that however, because of my Forum ID. tfj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, Taxi for Johnson said: How has this got nothing to do with the clubs?? You give a very young man £100,000's of pounds - enough to buy any car on the planet, it an environment when virtually all similar players drive around in 500 hp cars, and we are surprised when this sort of thing happens? He might be the one behind the wheel, but the clubs have their neck well and truly in the noose for 'failure to guide' and mentor these young athletes. Does it reflect in City and Chelsea? Absolutely. tfj Clubs , like parents can only guide and mentor - They cant watch them 24 hrs a day I'm not minimising the errors of judgement that went on and the potential outcome could have been more serious (I had a car written off and was injured by an uninsured driver running a red light) but I do think some posters on this thread are going over the top with their judgements He seems a decent lad , very sensible , and I see this as a (bad) error of judgement more than anything (Probably without thinking of the possible implications) Its not as if he's been caught up in gang activity or violence ( And I accept a car not driven properly can cause an awful lot of damage or worse) Without knowing the full circumstances I'd say anyone lending him the car or encouraging , or allowing him to do so is the first place to look, especially considering Tammy age Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 1 minute ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Clubs , like parents can only guide and mentor - They cant watch them 24 hrs a day I'm not minimising the errors of judgement that went on and the potential outcome could have been more serious (I had a car written off and was injured by an uninsured driver running a red light) but I do think some posters on this thread are going over the top with their judgements He seems a decent lad , very sensible , and I see this as a (bad) error of judgement more than anything (Probably without thinking of the possible implications) Its not as if he's been caught up in gang activity or violence ( And I accept a car not driven properly can cause an awful lot of damage or worse) Without knowing the full circumstances I'd say anyone lending him the car or encouraging , or allowing him to do so is the first place to look, especially considering Tammy age Fine! If I gave you £2M a year, most of the day off each day, would I be surprised if you got out of your head on cider, and passed out outside the Rose & Crown in your own vomit?? Can you see my point? tfj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodjias Wrist Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, Taxi for Johnson said: No: I said the clubs. My personal opinion might be that it is partly LJ's fault, but I have no wish to fan the flames on that particular grudge. LJ would not behave like Tammy did, as he could not reach the accelerator pedal to push it down that far. In this respect, you might even say LJ is innocent. I can't say that however, because of my Forum ID. tfj They can't control every aspect of their personal lives as we have seen with numerous football players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, Kodjias Wrist said: They can't control every aspect of their personal lives as we have seen with numerous football players. No-one is expecting the club to, for example, advise the players on whether to try doggy style or the swan with two necks on a Sunday morning ............ All that is really needed is someone to reinforce not to be a total dick, and they have a responsibility to represent the club when in public. Most employers have a similar responsibility. Probably spells it out in the contract of employment. This is a bit more serious than dictating whether they have weetabix or granola in the morning. tfj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodjias Wrist Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, Taxi for Johnson said: No-one is expecting the club to, for example, advise the players on whether to try doggy style or the swan with two necks on a Sunday morning ............ All that is really needed is someone to reinforce not to be a total dick, and they have a responsibility to represent the club when in public. Most employers have a similar responsibility. Probably spells it out in the contract of employment. This is a bit more serious than dictating whether they have weetabix or granola in the morning. tfj The incident has happened and im sure as stated that the both clubs have spoken to the player. Thats the best they can do. Its impossible to predict someones actions and mistakes are all part of growing up. Do you blame city for the four players that got arrested for a brawl behind java nightclub when GJ was in charge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abraham Romanovich Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 31 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: If he is disqualified already (I'm confused as to where this suggestion emanates from) that (Driving whilst disqualified) will be the most serious of the offences So am I - are we saying that he has previously gone before a magistrate before found guilty and disqualified (banned) or merely he should not have been driving as he has only a provisional licence and no insurance. Believe GJ kicked out Andre Blackman for doing similar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In the Net Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, Abraham Romanovich said: So am I - are we saying that he has previously gone before a magistrate before found guilty and disqualified (banned) or merely he should not have been driving as he has only a provisional licence and no insurance. Believe GJ kicked out Andre Blackman for doing similar I think the A&S police were quoted as saying no licence and no insurance. If he was driving alone on a provisional licence, I think they would have confirmed this. Although, it was reported in the EP - so could be any number of inaccuracies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linkedarm wall Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 I wonder why (seeing as he seems to have an interest in driving ) that Chelsea didn't arrange for him to have driving lessons? We're often told footballers get everything done for them, perhaps under 'Personal Development' they could have arranged it ........ or perhaps this 'alleged' ban may have stopped them doing it .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 All I can find reported is - No indication of driving whilst disqualified at all An Avon and Somerset Police spokesman said: 'A 19-year-old man from London has been reported for summons for careless driving, driving without a licence and driving without insurance.' N Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In the Net Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 4 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: All I can find reported is - No indication of driving whilst disqualified at all An Avon and Somerset Police spokesman said: 'A 19-year-old man from London has been reported for summons for careless driving, driving without a licence and driving without insurance.' N I think the disqualified info was posted by a couple of people on here who seem to be ITK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Just now, In the Net said: I think the disqualified info was posted by a couple of people on here who seem to be ITK. But seemingly not in the same know as the Police !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiale Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Tammy came through a academy. You would think that they teach a few common sense things tot he lads as they grow - there is a lot of peer pressure and expectations on these kids, especially when put in squads with older, relatively rich and ... well shall we say people who are not living what we would consider the real world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollymarie Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 57 minutes ago, In the Net said: From reading this thread, it sounds as though he's already done that, then been banned for accumulation of 6 speeding points less than 2 years after passing his test. Is the right answer from what I've been told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honiton Tony Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 53 minutes ago, Taxi for Johnson said: How has this got nothing to do with the clubs?? You give a very young man £100,000's of pounds - enough to buy any car on the planet, it an environment when virtually all similar players drive around in 500 hp cars, and we are surprised when this sort of thing happens? He might be the one behind the wheel, but the clubs have their neck well and truly in the noose for 'failure to guide' and mentor these young athletes. Does it reflect in City and Chelsea? Absolutely. tfj its called personal responsibility there is only one person to blame ......... Tammy ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 21 minutes ago, Dollymarie said: Is the right answer from what I've been told. Why wasn't he arrested for driving whilst disqualified then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted February 10, 2017 Admin Share Posted February 10, 2017 7 minutes ago, Henry said: Why wasn't he arrested for driving whilst disqualified then? Who say's he wasn't? The report in the post hasn't covered the full story anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted February 10, 2017 Admin Share Posted February 10, 2017 2 hours ago, Slippin cider said: Fact is he earns enough to get some driving lessons, pass his test , and drive legally ...no need for this at all ...and now he'll have points on his license before he's even turned a wheel! ... 1 hour ago, In the Net said: From reading this thread, it sounds as though he's already done that, then been banned for accumulation of 6 speeding points less than 2 years after passing his test. @Slippin cider too late for that, this was strike 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Septic Peg Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 39 minutes ago, In the Net said: I think the disqualified info was posted by a couple of people on here who seem to be ITK. If this really is the case, then he's even more in the shit. Driving whilst disqualified can carry a prison sentence albeit a short one. If Tammy is found guilty of this, I'd expect any custodial sentence to be suspended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 I see on SSN "City are discussing the issue with both the player and his parent club". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 18 hours ago, Full nelson said: Really?!? Piss will dry!! But crashing your car with no license or insurance? What happens if he crashed the car and killed someone or crashed into your car with no insurance? Double standards What double standards would that be? we don't know what tammys punishment will be, and im pretty sure Luke played after pissgate and left because his contract was running out and we were in a freeman situation of sell him or get nothing, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redmycolour Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 2 hours ago, Slippin cider said: Fact is he earns enough to get some driving lessons, pass his test , and drive legally ...no need for this at all ...and now he'll have points on his license before he's even turned a wheel! ... What licence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Well if Tammy has driven Mathews car with out permission he has far more to worry about then having no licence and insurence, techniclly it's theft of a motor vehicle which is far more serious and could come with a prison sentice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, Monkeh said: Well if Tammy has driven Mathews car with out permission he has far more to worry about then having no licence and insurence, techniclly it's theft of a motor vehicle which is far more serious and could come with a prison sentice And perhaps a 3rd party might be in some trouble if they encouraged him to do this as some sort of prank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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