redsocks Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 MONEY TALKS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Rocky said: He does have a right to earn. However football is watched and adored by millions of children, who will assume his behaviour is acceptable. Just because he has had his charges dropped, doesn’t mean he’s 100% innocent, he probably has/had the best lawyers in the land. Plus for his sake, and potential future victims, I'd say its crucial he is removed from the career which has undoubtedly helped lead to his belief that nobody has a right to say no to him.. Edited February 2, 2023 by Atticus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 3 cases of DV or rape involving rich football people where access to a good lawyer allows them to wriggle out fairly quickly. For DV it takes an average of 17 attempts for the victim to leave the perpetrator. An average. Afraid that means a lot it means an awful lot more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 Be interesting to see what Man Uniteds next stance is going to be. Ten Haag seems to be doing something that is going right at the moment, especially after the Ronaldo issues. Wouldn't be at all surprised if the club lawyers are all over this already, trying to find a way out of the contract. Bringing the club into disrepute could be one option, it may end up being that the contract is just paid up in full and he's told to do one. With the Americans trying to sell the club, I doubt they'll want anything like this hanging around for too long. My personal opinion, he's done in this country regardless of a legal statement. Whoever he plays for (if he does) will be just getting dogs abuse thrown at them for 90 minutes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 Should throw the book at HER. If he didn't do (I don't believe this) she has wasted so much police time,.money and effort, surely grounds for prosecution 9 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinéadB Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 11 minutes ago, frenchred said: Should throw the book at HER. If he didn't do (I don't believe this) she has wasted so much police time,.money and effort, surely grounds for prosecution Er what? Not guilty doesn't mean innocent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted February 2, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, frenchred said: Should throw the book at HER. If he didn't do (I don't believe this) she has wasted so much police time,.money and effort, surely grounds for prosecution Throw the book at her for nearly being forced to have sex. Yeh. Good shout. That’ll send out the right message. Edited February 2, 2023 by Fordy62 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 14 minutes ago, frenchred said: Should throw the book at HER. If he didn't do (I don't believe this) she has wasted so much police time,.money and effort, surely grounds for prosecution What an idiotic comment. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 With our recent history, I just hope to god we don’t consider signing him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 18 minutes ago, frenchred said: Should throw the book at HER. If he didn't do (I don't believe this) she has wasted so much police time,.money and effort, surely grounds for prosecution possibly the worst comment I’ve ever read on here. Quite the achievement 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Notgetinya Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 At the risk of sounding cynical she got back with him soon after probably because she didn’t want to give up the lifestyle she had and as such hasn’t supported a prosecution meaning he gets away with it. Let’s just hope he’s learnt from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoldenBall Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 18 minutes ago, Bobbie said: With our recent history, I just hope to god we don’t consider signing him. Eh?? What a ridiculous comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 6 minutes ago, Tafkarmlf said: Ugh this thread contains some very odd comments. I've just got back from giving evidence against my 2nd very abusive ex, so perhaps my heads not in the right place. However, my first abusive ex, never got arrested, was never charged and it never got very far. I had tonnes of evidence, but because it didn't reach charging threshold with CPS it couldn't go anywhere, despite the evidence I had and despite everyone confirming they knew the events happened The abuse is on record, my abuser appears on Claire's Law and the DV and SV is now noted in court as occurring as part of the Small Claims Case I've just won. They're not charges, but it is on record that they are a violent and sexual abuser. Charges being dropped is no indication of guilt or innocence Something to bear in mind. I totally agree and sympathise with you, hope you are able to move forward in your life and I wish you nothing but health and happiness moving forward x However greenwoods "partner" is different the evidence was there and she refused to go forward with it. How must her family feel? She would have been a standard bearer moving forward for abused women, she took the money and lifestyle instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 1 minute ago, frenchred said: However greenwoods "partner" is different the evidence was there and she refused to go forward with it. How must her family feel? Go back through this thread, you'll see what her dad said at the time about keeping it all hush hush. And as I said, he wouldn't be so forgiving if Mason greenwood worked at McDonald's on minimum wage. Her dad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted February 2, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 23 minutes ago, Tafkarmlf said: Ugh this thread contains some very odd comments. I've just got back from giving evidence against my 2nd very abusive ex, so perhaps my heads not in the right place. However, my first abusive ex, never got arrested, was never charged and it never got very far. I had tonnes of evidence, but because it didn't reach charging threshold with CPS it couldn't go anywhere, despite the evidence I had and despite everyone confirming they knew the events happened The abuse is on record, my abuser appears on Claire's Law and the DV and SV is now noted in court as occurring as part of the Small Claims Case I've just won. They're not charges, but it is on record that they are a violent and sexual abuser. Charges being dropped is no indication of guilt or innocence Something to bear in mind. Most of us know the score. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 55 minutes ago, HoldenBall said: Eh?? What a ridiculous comment. We were happy to sign Danny Simpson. After which I refused to use my season ticket for rest of season out of principle. So no, I don’t think it’s such a ridiculous comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globe Trotter Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 13 minutes ago, frenchred said: I totally agree and sympathise with you, hope you are able to move forward in your life and I wish you nothing but health and happiness moving forward x However greenwoods "partner" is different the evidence was there and she refused to go forward with it. How must her family feel? She would have been a standard bearer moving forward for abused women, she took the money and lifestyle instead How must she feel? Domestic abuse is far more nuanced than how you’ve portrayed it here. Making statements, having intimate swabs and photographs taken, speaking about private and harrowing experiences in open court while your personality, relationship and life is scrutinised. Control, coercion, manipulation and isolation are all common tools used by perpetrators on top of physical violence. ‘Refusing to go forward with it’ and ‘taking the money instead’ are unhelpful generalisations and demonstrates a lack of understanding of domestic abuse. 5 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herta Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 I have two step daughters. This man walking free is a stain on our country, our morals and the message we choose to send to young men everywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBW Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 (edited) Just because the criminal case is closed doesn't mean she can't start a civil one. Lose that and the "innocent until proven guilty" Africans on Twitter can shut up at least. Edited February 2, 2023 by TBW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollymarie Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 4 hours ago, Percy Pig said: Yet another monster gets away with it. I said in the Mendy thread and I'll repeat here, I thank god every day that I have two sons and no daughters. This world is a truly horrendous place. You can still educate your sons about how to treat women though. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorenzos Only Goal Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 I wish people wouldn't post on these types of threads with the obligatory "scumbag" type remarks. At the end of the day the legal system we have decided there wasn't evidence to charge him. Some of you have thrown her under a bus, some of you continuing to throw him under the bus, but none of you have the full picture. All you know is this. https://www.cps.gov.uk/cps/news/mason-greenwood-cps-discontinuance-charges 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!james Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 21 minutes ago, Lorenzos Only Goal said: I wish people wouldn't post on these types of threads with the obligatory "scumbag" type remarks. At the end of the day the legal system we have decided there wasn't evidence to charge him. Some of you have thrown her under a bus, some of you continuing to throw him under the bus, but none of you have the full picture. All you know is this. https://www.cps.gov.uk/cps/news/mason-greenwood-cps-discontinuance-charges 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 39 minutes ago, Lorenzos Only Goal said: I wish people wouldn't post on these types of threads with the obligatory "scumbag" type remarks. At the end of the day the legal system we have decided there wasn't evidence to charge him. Some of you have thrown her under a bus, some of you continuing to throw him under the bus, but none of you have the full picture. All you know is this. https://www.cps.gov.uk/cps/news/mason-greenwood-cps-discontinuance-charges The legal system is a joke at times - i know that first hand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorenzos Only Goal Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, Rob k said: The legal system is a joke at times - i know that first hand. It needs reform that's for sure, somthing like the Swedish system would be a start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorenzos Only Goal Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 31 minutes ago, Percy Pig said: Believe me, I will. Thankfully, they're both empathetic young boys. My point was that I won't worry about them any time they set foot outside the house. Not once they're teens anyway. But with a girl, you'd have that worry in the back of your mind for the rest of your life. We heard the tape mate. He's a monster. I've also got two boys, 4 and 6 I'm hopefull that things will be better in 5 years time once the online harms bill kicks in. But to be honest I was listening to a story the other day where a young lad tried to strangle his girlfriend after their first kiss becuase he thought that was normal becuase of what he'd been exposed to outside the home. Don't be nieve to think becuase kids look and appear OK everything's good inside their mind. Yes we need to educate boys, but we also need to protect them and there is a big gap between what we do to protect boys from toxic porn, social media influencers. It's a way more complex world than when I was a kid. I can try my best to control what my kids see. But I really dislike this notion that we need to educate our children not to rape or abuse women, like anyone ever thought otherwise. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slacker Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Dollymarie said: You can still educate your sons about how to treat women though. Unfortunately as children get older they are likely to be more influenced by friends,social media, peer pressure and so called role models than their parents. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slacker Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 2 hours ago, Bobbie said: We were happy to sign Danny Simpson. After which I refused to use my season ticket for rest of season out of principle. So no, I don’t think it’s such a ridiculous comment I think most fans were strongly against this signing as indeed I was.I seem to remember reading something recently where his partner "admitted " she had made up her allegations against him as an act of revenge. I have no idea wether Danny Simpson is innocent or guilty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorenzos Only Goal Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, !james said: I've seen this, its hard not to have seen it. I'm not saying he's innocent, but chipping in with the scumbags got away with it changes nothing, and people chipping in with throwing her under the bus with passive aggressive comments like power of money is just as bad. When people start asking what made him this way, we might start making progress...... Edited February 2, 2023 by Lorenzos Only Goal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 6 hours ago, Fordy62 said: Money talks. Key witnesses withdrawing evidence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 6 hours ago, Ghost Rider said: At the end of the day, he is innocent, so he should be able to carry on with his career. If Luke McCormick can carry on, then……. Is he ? The case was discontinued due to withdrawal of key witnesses, read the full article. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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