Tinmans Love Child

Just now, gl2 said:

Obviously 3pts would be great but just had a look at teams below all face tricky games today and Blackpool play Hull so things may turn out not too disasterous should the worst happen.

I am sensing a horrible 4-1 defeat after we take the lead, maybe it's too many sherries over Xmas blighting my positivity so I hope I'm very wrong!  I'll take a draw no problem COYR

11 hours ago, Red-Al said:

Well it is only 1hr 20mins drive from there ground, 

it's taken me longer to get into town sometimes!  I think sacrificing most of Xmas day to stay in a hotel for such a short time would have been a touch over the top

23 hours ago, Robbored said:

City played some great stuff under Danny Wilson.

Apart from that kick off!  

Wow I never expected that!  Just goes to show that you never know how players really feel, I've always thought he never wanted to be here but what do I know!

I see comments that this is the most talented group of players in years etc etc but we've heard that since the early 00's with that crop as well, then it was all about Rooney being the special one.  I think we are competitive on the world stage for the first time in my 44 years, but probably lack a real top drawer superstar player to take us that extra step.  I think Southgate has done an amazing job, and much better than the many many experienced managers before him have done.  Would another so say experienced manager done better?  No one can say but they havnt in the past

I'm seeing NP in a similar light to SOD now, both had  a tough job in a transition period for the club, they did what was necessary to reset the clock, then somebody else is needed to come in and take the glory.

I don't deny it's been tough for NP with the lack of cash and overblown squad and all the rest of it, but I can't see he is ever going to be able to take advantage of things once sorted because he's already spent in terms of what he says and does and I think a fresh manager with fresh ideas COULD push us on.

His record is nothing short of awful really, he's closing in on 100 games in charge and has lost half of his games!  I wanted him here, I thought he would succeed but I just can't see it working 

On 16/12/2022 at 12:40, petehinton said:

Was racking my brains to figure out where it is. The flats by broken dock area?

The old general hospital, Danny Simpson was there previously and my mate used to see a Deliveroo going to his place every day, explains a lot!

My work colleague lives in the flat above them, he said that when a big match is on TV he sees them out on their terrace at half time doing keepie uppies!

I work in Internal Audit within financial services so am very familiar with the FCA approach to oversight and governance, so these proposals certainly look interesting. For me it's mind boggling that Football Clubs are pretty much subject to no real financial regulation despite how much money is pumping in and out of even small clubs so all good ideas.  I think my ideal job within IA will be with this new body and I get to travel to all the football clubs to audit them!

46 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

My mate summed it up: “bring on a bloke who’s more concerned about how many of his watches were nicked.”

Your mate didn't sum it up at all, ridiculous comment 

23 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

Still struggling with the master stroke to substitute our most threatening player. What was he thinking?

Southgate is on the FIFA gravy train as well, he was instructed to do it

Just now, Port Said Red said:

That's fine, you don't agree. But the thing is, it's just our turn this time. I have seen this all before in previous World Cups. The Argentina v Peru game in '78, The German Dutch final in '74, and numerous other results since my first World Cup in '70. Part of the reason they made the final group games kick off at the same time was because of the betting syndicates making small fortunes on the outcomes.  

I'll refer you to my previous answer.  What are your thoughts on the aliens in Area 51?

1 minute ago, Port Said Red said:

They did as much as they could without making it obvious, I am pretty sure it's a Messi V Mbappe final they want for the reasons given by @Mr Popodopolous. Despite being within 5 yards of the Mount penalty, he wasn't going to give it. VAR had to give it, to not give it would have raised suspicion higher. If Kane had scored, I am convinced there would have been a very dubious pro France decision further down the line. 

20 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

I mentioned the FIFA engineered final of choice, but thank you for expanding the detail. I am convinced this is the case myself. We all know how corrupt FIFA are, that's why we are here in the first place, nobody could say that it was beyond them.

I can 100% say that FIFA conspiring to rig the results of the World Cup to engineer a World Cup final is total BS!  e.g. if they wanted the Messi v Ronaldo final then were Morocco not in on it, did they refuse to co-operate to allow Portugal safe passage through? Is the conspiracy to just keep England away from the final at all costs so they brought in a referee who would make us lose?  Was Kane involved and was directed by FIFA to miss the second penalty?  Absolute rubbish 

51 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said:

Please excuse me as I've had a few.

A guy said tonight at a party I was at that FIFA were dreading England v Argentina so the ref was told that.

Makes sense given some of the decisions but we're out so good luck to the French.

Cheese eating surrender monkeys that they are but allez Les bleu now.

I just don't buy any conspiracy theories, yeh the ref was poor but suggesting that he was trying to influence the result through his decisions is ridiculous.  If he wanted France to win, surely he would awarded them a penalty or sent one of our players off?  He awarded us 2 penalties, which is a strange way to influence the game in France's favour unless Kane was also involved in the FIFA conspiracy and deliberately ballooned the penalty over the bar to make sure nobody suspected the referee of being involved in the FIFA conspiracy as well?  

Just now, 22A said:

Their forum match day thread is only three pages long. Complaints about their defence being old & slow, the goals were both Peltier's fault and the  winger isn't crossing to the correct forward etc.

What's this "our threads bigger than your thread"?

2 hours ago, downendcity said:

 

This is not a truly overhead photograph, as if it were then the  crossbar would be directly over the goal line, rather sitting a little to the right. 

For it to be properly overhead, then the viewpoint would need to shift slightly to the right . The resulting change of perspective would make the ball look much more in than do any of the pictures that have been shown - all of which appear to have been taken from the left ( as we see in this picture), so all of them suffer the same perspective issue, and explains why the immediate response of pundits was disbelief.

 

I was Googling how goal line tech works and found this article from a German guy dated June 2022 who mentions the Lampard goal and how Germany might suffer a similar fate in the future!  He wasn't wrong!https://www.scienceabc.com/innovation/how-does-the-goal-line-technology-work.html

6 hours ago, BigTone said:

We've all been subject to racism at some point. I left home aged 16 and moved to Australia on my own to stay with distant family.  My first job was working for a German run building company where 90% of the workers did not talk English or refused to do so.  I would cop all sorts of racist comments which you either allow to get to you or you grow a thick skin and get on with life. Mostly it was banter but some you could tell meant it.  Likewise, as an Englishman in Australia you were subject to a barrage of shite for being a Pommie. Again you either get on with life or let it get you down. You learn quickly to give as good as you get and they tend to appreciate when you do. Again most of the time it is banter and back then was acceptable. Times change I suppose.

I feel sorry for your Asian friend especially post 9/11 as I'm sure a good few of the comments were uncalled for and I understand why he felt down.  I was lucky to come from a family who were in no way racist so as a kid was something I never really experienced but as I say that changed when I left home for the great wide world.  I have worked in the Middle East and also Morocco. In Saudi I did not experience any racism directed at myself but certainly migrant workers there did not have an easy ride and their treatment was uncalled for.  I have experienced racism in Morocco but mostly abuse because they think all Westerners are American. That was very much a minority and most Moroccans were fantastic people.

As I say times change and the world is now a much different place for good or for bad.

Sorry to be a pedant but what you suffered in Oz is xenophobia not racism isn't it?  Not very nice obviously 

17 hours ago, Ska Junkie said:

Never said I had a problem but people are so easily offended nowadays whereas in my younger days (I'm 55) entertainment was clearly different.

As for the 'dishing out' comment, utter rubbish. I and my ilk may not be PC nowadays but don't look for reasons to be offended and, personally, I'm content with not being PC, which doesn't mean being offensive.

My comment wasn't aimed at you personally, I don't know you, although I'm not sure why anyone would be content with not being PC, if you know a term or joke or comment which you used to use back in the day is now deemed offensive, then to me it seems pretty strange to knowingly not care about that and continue to use it, just because you don't deem it offensive.  

I think the difference now is we have a much more diverse population than we did even 20/30 years ago let alone 50/60 years ago, so it's only natural that attitudes to certain things like race and religion will (and should) change.  

When I was in senior school 1990-95, in my whole school year there were 4 black kids and 0 Asian kids out of say 200 kids total.  My understanding is that minority groups make up closer to 50% of kids now.  Im sure those 4 kids in my year will have taken just as much offence to the causal racist comments, that will no doubt have been uttered from time to time, to kids from minority groups today, the difference now is to some extent strength in numbers, and those casual racist instances are getting called out more and more, and as the minority's increase, the awareness of what is or isn't racist is much more prevalent for all groups.  

It may seem like the millennials are too PC, although that's not really a bad thing is it, but actually they are more aware of what is or isn't acceptable in 2022.  I don't agree in cancel culture as I accept times have changed, but it's poor to knowingly not change your attitudes.  I would be sacked from my job if I referred to colleagues using terms from my youth, or made jokes that were deemed ok in my youth, and rightly so.  I'm not weak for having this attitude, far from it.

4 hours ago, Ska Junkie said:

Different era tbh TLC and wouldn't be allowed now. 

Go back a bit further and the black and white minstrels were prime time viewing and everyone of them painted their faces.

 Is it the fact people are less tolerant now or are the looking to be offended (not aimed at you)? I know which I believe.

To give another example, as a kid, I loved 'love thy neighbour'. Imagine that on Tele today plus, the mighty only fools and horses would struggle to get on prime TV nowadays due to 'potentially offensive content'. My generation just found these programs funny and never even thought they were naughty at all.

Im 44 next month and fantasy football was on when I was in my mid teens.  I don't really see it as that long ago, but obviously in terms of what is tolerated or understood now, it's worlds apart from today in terms of what is acceptable, but unlike others I don't see this as a bad thing.  

In my own experience, the people who have a problem with this change in attitudes towards what is acceptable to say are the ones who are still dishing out the abuse and they want to continue to do so, and instead of taking responsibility they blame those who stand up to their outdated attitudes 

48 minutes ago, ralphindevon said:

Yeah I can’t imagine any of the people mentioned were losing sleep about it and I’m sure they’ve all suffered worse.

As a middle aged white man I’m certainly not going to start telling a person of colour that something isn’t racist if they think it is and the Yorkshire cricket story did get me thinking how lazy and inconsiderate it might be not to learn how to pronounce a colleague’s name.

A genuine nickname or abbreviation is a bit different but I guess it all comes down to being mindful of the person’s feelings. I can remember Lois Diony seemingly finding it very funny that people, including teammates, had mentioned the pineapple on his head but you’d have to be close to him to find out if he really found it funny. I’d like to think he did. 

I worked for one of the Big 4 consultancies and a recent example was given where the recruits from Asia were told they all looked the same, their names were too difficult to pronounce and they should just be given a number from which they can be referred too.  This was just 2 years ago!   It will have been meant as a joke etc etc but casual racism is still rife and probably still seen as just a bit of banter with no victims (like the Jason Lee thing), 

9 minutes ago, REDOXO said:

If he was any color you like but had a pineapple shaped hair do then he would have caught the same flack. 
 
Is Haircutism still a problem? 
 

A comic Apologizing to a black fella for having the piss taken out of him over a haircut 30 years ago, on the basis of newly perceived racism smacks of free advertising for a show about antisemitism, by a bloke who was never really that funny!
 

Even Spitting Image had a Badiel puppet retelling the same joke!

I agree that the apology now seems to be because Baddiel is making a programme about racism, however as mentioned above, wearing dreadlocks isn't just a hair cut and shouldn't be trivialised like that.  

I also don't think this is newly perceived racism or cancel culture or wokism etc this sketch was no different to what the Black and White Minstrel Show did which went off air in the late 70's.

2 minutes ago, frenchred said:

Absolute bollocks regarding Jason Lee, it was not the fact he had dreadlocks it was that he shaped them in the form of a pineapple! Are we now saying that society views pineapples as racist?

Did you see him play? He tumbled down the league's because basically he was shit!

With all due respect, Jason Lee tied up his dreadlocks when playing football, he didn't deliberately shape them into a pineapple shaped form.  I assume by your rationale it's fair game to chant about Pineapples to Semenyo as well?  

Either way, there is a symbolism to wearing dreadlocks, and for a comedian to black face and make fun of this is wrong, as David Baddiel admits.

I recommend watching the video

https://youtu.be/he6Nq2lWLJ0

Really interesting discussion between Jason Lee and David Baddiel on the infamous (and quite frankly racist) sketches from Fantasy Football League back in the 90's.  Anyone around at the time will no doubt remember the abuse Jason Lee got on the programme because of his dreadlocks, the subsequent chants about his hair, which from memory impacted his form and he dropped down the leagues.  

When you look back on the sketches now with Baddiel having a black face etc its quite surprising it was ever allowed on TV at all, even in the 90's, but there was definitely a culture at that time of everything being ok as long as you said it was banter.  I used to watch the show a lot as a teenager and didn't really think about it at the time, but looking back most of the jokes seemed to be ripping anyone in football who was deemed ugly or weird by Skinner and Baddiel.

David Baddiel is doing a new doc on anti semitism so I guess he needed to address the uncomfortable truth regarding Jason Lee as part of this, shame it took him all this time to actually apologies!