REDOXO

Jerry. This thread is specific to the  issues with Robins tv. Please respond to follow up. It would be really great if the club put out a protocol for audio and video failure reports on match day so they can actually be addressed immediately while the game is live

13 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

It’s not about crowing. The fact is our Sugar Daddy plays by the rules hence the position Nige finds himself in……..he is trying to build a team with limited funds, Reading, Derby and others have Sugar Daddies who said **** the rules and are now paying the price.

Exactly!!

14 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said:

And guess who's playing Derby at Pride park soon?

'We've got more cash than you. No actually, we haven't got any either'.

Should be a laugh eh!

Went to Everton once with Woking in the cup. The Woking supporters were waving tenners at the scoucers! Good times!

@Hxj The corporate veil is/has been pierced. Where this goes now no one knows. Good Luck!

4 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Not that it wouldn't be unawarranted but it feels a pointless exercise possibly. To repeat and add to what I said when he spoke of it months ago.

A) His figures feel sketchy. I've always thought £5-7m at the upper end. Unsure where £20m comes from??

B) League and Clubs have to submit to pursuit of action under arbitration. Middlesbrough's cases were through this method. How much can an arbitration panel award? 

C) Who would the club pursue? EFL, Derby? Other parties involved but not directly?

The whole thing with reporting is sketchy. What will be found now is anyone’s guess. I really don’t know the rules regarding arbitration so I will defer to you, however this is now a shiftiest that breaks or could break completely new ground….Which anyone with an attention span longer than a goldfish could have predicted. 
 

Asfor who would get pursued  who knows. But that will all be about what becomes uncovered and enters the public domain. This is about to get uglier than ugly because the EFL for whatever reason didn’t relegate a club that six games later it was found were an utter financial mess. 
 

The EFL and the appeals commission have a lot to answer for as do the board of Derby and the main player, who will I suspect bring loads of people down with him. 
 

The EFL has been severely compromised and now looks like a weak Lilly liveried institution..That’s not good for anyone!

5 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Yes he did, that was a good thread, with some strong points...not entirely in the way he laid out but he suggested big trouble could be on the way.

Found the thread which contains stuff about the stadium sale once the financial results had emerged...

https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/31968-1718-financial-results/

A couple more interesting ones too...these I found when looking for the one in Spring 2019.

https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/31925-business-steps-to-administraton/

https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/31992-mel-morris/

Not read many of the threads in depth or anything, but I bet not many are expressing concern etc.

No not really. The posts about the EFL being somehow at fault or are picking on Derby over the last few days are also nauseating. Good luck to Derby and there fans rebuilding. Also good luck to Wycombe with all the impending law suits that are bound to follow. The administrators have one hell of a job with this one. And that’s not even taking criminal law into account. 

23 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Good post @REDOXO

I do criticise that forum but some good content on there- I googled it and it was back in May 2021, so yeah...a strong take on it and a lot of good points. Their wage bill is ever vanishing, apparently it's only £1m per month now!

Talking of humility, the following threads- and I'm not one to gloat, but the following threads make for interesting reading in this context...

 

 

The original stadium sale thread might make for good reading but could take some finding.

Not much humility on display in these periods! They were so smart...their owner was so smart- it's hard to muster up significant sympathy for some of the fans on there I'd say.

BuckTaylor spelled it all out in April 2019 and didn’t he catch shit for it. God I hope some people have given the decker an apology. Probably not!

On 17/09/2021 at 16:43, Hxj said:

Disappointed with the comments on here.

Yes Morris and Pearce took the proverbial but how sad for a once great club.  Lots of good people up here will be mourning tonight and worried about their jobs

Yes the schadenfreude can be galling, but to be fair some of the hi jinx of the club and the myopia of some supporters is galling too. All that, we’ve done nothing wrong stuff on here, when it now appears that the EFL have let the board of Derby disappear up their own rectums at the expense of a freshly relegated Wycombe Wanderers. I expect that will run and run!
 

But I do take your point.  There will be a lot of suppliers with a headache this morning expecting pennies on the pound and maybe not even that if a buyer can not be found. I would be furious if I were a Derby fan and most are furious for Derby fans, particularly as now they (Derby supporters) ALL have to admit its not a conspiracy against them, by other clubs, its always been other clubs and there supporters pointing out Derby County’s constant shiftiest de’ jour and gaminess with the rules and by extension with their competitors and fellow clubs, who try to stay within the common bounds of decency and integrity expected in sport!

11 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

We’re a couple.

2 minutes ago, Out of his pie crust said:

Get a room ffs

Yuk!

This is heading toward classic thread territory. Some people may want to start thinking about changing their handle!

Can anybody do that thing so we can see them overseas as well?

3 minutes ago, TomF said:

A 1-0 win against the mighty Lincoln City too.

Absolute otter feltching prat 

Otter feltching now that’s an image!

1 hour ago, Jimbo76 said:

Out of his depth in the first half as QPR targeted our right side.

Better second.

Distribution and crossing poor but defensively did ok.

But we didn't buy a finished product. Definite potential.

I don't think he was out of his depth at all. He was targeted in the first half, without doubt, but as we went in 1-0 up that kind of tells a bit of story! He did not look out of place, so I would beg to differ!

Wycombe must be gutted

Hey Jerry as I don't see how I continue the dialogue on the original string, I have started a new one. Your response is followed by mine 

Morning, Robins TV what do I say. o

Did you report it to them during the game via the bristolcitytvsupport@streamamg.com email address, would be the first question?  . Ive made a screenshot of your message and sent to my colleagues in the media team and that's also the first question they've asked me to check as well.

Can you confirm how long it was down and if it was ok for the Luton game?  J

Hi Jerry. The Luton fixture was fine. The last fixture where it went wrong is PNE after about 20 minutes. There are various places here (OTIB) where others were stating the same thing, thus this was an issue with your broadcast. The audio is continually over looked and I have written (tweeted) to JL on various occasions in the last season or two. It often is not switched on as well as not being properly maintained....I NOTE The email address provided, however this actually needs prominence as what typically happens is that people contact each other on here and bitch about the service, thus I would be asking the OTIB people to put a section together showing the numbers and emails that may be called if there is a system failure ON MATCH DAY. Are you advising me that the email address you are referring to is manned on matchday, so as issues can be addressed immediately? If that is the case they may want to be monitoring this site as until a protocol is made clear and obvious regarding fault reporting on Matchday!

7 hours ago, Major Isewater said:

Is it time for Williams ? 
 

IF he is fit, definitely. However I would be unpopular on here by starting him for Massengo at least for now. 

45 minutes ago, INCRED said:

We lost it in midfield this evening and failed to pick up second balls or show any indication of changing this, they were more physical and we could quite easily have lost this by 3 or 4 

Exactly. I was thinking along the same lines. For all of us knowing we need to be more aggressive in midfield we were simply not in the last two home games. The midfield looks tidy enough and runs around a lot as do the others, but the determination and out right grit you need to collect second balls was lacking today. 
 

For all the Massengo plaudits and all his attributes he can’t shoot or add an assist. Thus there is an increased burden to players that are pretty docile to begin with. Nonetheless I’m not sure I always feel the same at away games. 

33 minutes ago, petehinton said:

How the **** they only scored 1 is a real mystery 

Exactly! They had five golden opportunities in the first half...Ok three of them came in quick succession, but we could have been 0-3 at HT easily! But there we are it wasn't but talking with my mate @Southport Redhe predicted we would be pushed/fall further and further back after our goal and so it was....Not sure what to think right now, as I feel I could predict outcomes during games from what has gone before and obviously others do too! 

The lad on radio Brizz who said it was/is unwatchable is making a point about the last two games. We have been lucky at the back and can't create enough clear cut chances....I like the idea of building a solid team, from the back, but we are still not really that solid, luckily we have a goalkeeper that can keep us in games, thank goodness.

The one thing I will say is that we need a leader thats further up the pitch. But who....James maybe....but no one was geeing up the players around them....Many payers looked flat to me. I predicted Scott was coming off when Wells was stripping as he couldn't get in the game, but I also predicted Semenyo to come on...

I just feel like we do have a monkey on our back as a squad now, which is not helped by the stop them mentality, but the fact is we didn't stop them, they just missed a hatfull of gilt edge chances!

7 hours ago, Jerseybean said:

Good day fellow Reds. Might need my hard hat after this appears.

Tonight at 745 pm it’s Luton Town under the lights at home. The match day programme is here: https://robinstv.bcfc.co.uk/digital-matchday-programme/

Those with Sky Sports can watch live on the Red Button.

The first of four consecutive games, in two weeks, against teams in and around London. Luton is in Bedfordshire and about 37 miles from London.

I know it’s somewhat old hat but our unenviable failure to win at home now stretches to 13 matches. For the record, and in anticipation of winning tonight, between 26 January to today, there have been 232 days, that’s 7 months and 20 days.

The performance against PNE was IMO a bit underwhelming, however, NP (who seemed pleased by our application on Saturday) has hinted that there are not likely to be any changes.  I would like to see Wells starting and if he does I think we will see a cap-tivating performance from him.

Luton Town Football Club was founded in 1885 and moved to Kenilworth Road in 1905, they are nicknamed “The Hatters.” If you are, by any odd chance, interested in the history of the hat industry in Luton then English Heritage have published this: https://historicengland.org.uk/images-books/publications/hat-industry-luton-buildings/hat-industry-luton-and-buildings/

They reappointed Nathan Jones as their manager in May 2020, just 16 months after he’d left Luton to join Stoke City. Stoke sacked the Welshman in November 2019 after he’d won just six of 38 games in charge.

Their assistant manager Mick Harford (who played for us in the early 1980’s) is a Luton Town legend, he is currently fighting prostate cancer, which is the most common cancer in men, but most men with early prostate cancer don’t have symptoms. For more on this including a 30 second prostate health checker see: https://www.lutontown.co.uk/news/2021/july/mick-interview/

Currently we are both on eight points with both teams recording two wins, two draws and two defeats, we’ve scored seven they’ve notched eight and we’ve conceded seven while they’ve let 10 in. The head-to-head stats are equally close, both teams having won 22 games and there have been 17 draws. Based on this a draw seems the most likely outcome. However, although I don’t expect a hatful of goals, I’m going for a 2-1 home win with Nahki Wells scoring our winner oh and just saying, Luton have scored twice this season in the 98th minute, so at the end of the game I hope we are not eating our hats, much prefer us to be taking our hats off to NP and the team.

Luton may well be forced into changes with Allan Campbell, Admiral Muskwe, Fred Onyedinma, Amari’i Bell and Jordan Clark probably rated as doubtful. Elijah Adebayo missed the Blackburn game due to illness but my have recovered enough to take part this evening.

To cap it off here’s some (kind of) related quiz questions; hats off to you if you get them all right.

1 What substance is associated with the phrase ‘as mad as a hatter?’

2 What was the name of the UK gents outfitters which started by selling hats? (It was founded in 1887 and ceased trading in 1996.) Clue, the Bristol branch is now a Costa Coffee.

3 What accent did the Mad Hatter have?

4 What hat do you associate with the comedian who was on the Board of Luton Town in the 1970’s?

5 Which sport first coined the term ‘hat trick?’

6 What was the Luton Town record released in 1973 called?

7 Complete the following words which all start with Hat

- A model of car

- A tool used for chopping wood

- Baby birds

8 Who wrote the song ‘You can leave your hat on?’

9 Which sort of hat is associated with Che Guevara?

10 Panama hats are made and originated in which South American country?

11 What is the origin of the expression ‘throwing your hat in the ring?’

12 A classic chef's hat has how many folds?

Will post the answers after the game.

And finally a dad joke involving a hat. I was in a bar in Texas, when a man walked in wearing a paper cowboy hat, a paper shirt, paper jeans, paper socks and paper boots.

In next to no time the Sheriff burst in and arrested him for rustling.

COYR! 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For the love of god someone do a condensed version! @BigTone where are you?

38 minutes ago, Midlands Robin said:

So ultimately we've several options.

1) The breach of rules option which we'll discount as it could involve legal ramifications.

2) Ashton was not involved in any of the big work but was aware of the goings on, perhaps acted as a point of contact and was offered the role at Ipswich prior to SL being aware.

3) Ashton informed SL that he was working with investors to buy into Ipswich town on behalf of a former colleague and SL was happy for him to do so as long as it didn't effect his City work, ultimately Ashton decided to put his notice in and leave at the end of the season. 

4) Ashton woke up one morning to find a group of investors involving a long time friend and work mate of his had purchased Ipswich and quite out of the blue they called him up and offered him the CEO job.

Personally, I'd say the least likely of all of those would be option 3. I just can't see SL being happy with his CEO working for someone else when he should be concentrating 100 percent on Bristol City. 

From what I recall when the initial threads appeared on OTIB, there was no suggestion that any impropriety had taken place. The poster simply pointed out that a company with a link to one of Ashton's friends had popped up in relation to football investment. 

There was nothing more concrete than that. It was that scrap of info that sent the hot line at OTIB towers off.

Either way, I'm sure enough rocks will eventually get kicked over to reveal more light on the subject.

I posted on here some time before anything got announced on any subject (M&A related) that the club at the time were not letting any information  out of the club and this felt like a quiet period before an announcement. (It’s in my posting history)  People at the time were concerned of the lack of info from the club! Subsequently  the Ipswich thing became common knowledge and SL went on a podcast stating his intent to look into investors/investment from outside. 
 

Your scenarios. Are thAt your scenarios. What has happened is relatively clear and has already put OUT there. No breach of rules has occurred to the best of anyone’s knowledge. The rule makers would include FA EFL IRS FBI HMIR UEFA FIFA et al.  Mark Ashton has not been charged with any kind of misconduct and has clearly complied with rules to the best of anyone’s knowledge as of today. He is not in any danger of being barred from holding future directorships to my knowledge and anything else that is stated/speculated on here or anywhere else to the contrary could get people into a world of pain!

Edit. I still don’t like him much, but have never met him so he could be a good bloke to have a beer with. Either way the man is not stupid enough to put his entire career in jeopardy particularly as he has been on the EFL board!

52 minutes ago, Midlands Robin said:

I'm not so sure. We'd need to work out a timeline of events but the big questions such as who said what and when I doubt we'll ever fully know.

I can guarantee though that when I'm not in work at my desk, my boss would have no idea what I'm doing. It's not all that absurd to believe Ashton was devoting some time prior to the announcement of his departure working on non City related projects.

Yes But I didn't say that he was not devoting some time working on non City projects, in fact I made it clear he was. Its a matter of knowledge!!!

The issue is did SL and the board not know what he was doing. The breach of confidentiality, not to mention the breach of trust to an employer paying him 500k would have been enough for any suiter not to have gone through with the deal with him as it would have been clear that the person they were doing business with was not to be trusted. When you are paying out that kind of money having trust in the person/s you are doing business with is key! The idea that all this went trough while Ashton THE CEO of a rival business was not being open with his employer/Ipswich/The Buyer is fantasy born out of the dislike for the man, that many of us, including me, have for the individual!

UK Fiduciary duty rules are in the link

https://www.diligent.com/en-gb/blog/main-fiduciary-duties-uk-company-directors/

Furthermore under IRS and regulations in the USA deals of this kind are scrutinized by the IRS and in the case of big deals the FBI, this is to minimize money laundering issues in sport which are rife. furthermore The FA and The EFL dont wake up one morning to be told...Oh by the way Ipswich have new owners....! 

If someone has implied that Ashton breached his fiduciary duty no wonder threats/cease and desist notices have been issued ALLEGEDLY!

1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

So the follow-on question is - was Ashton undermining Lansdown / City from that point on, or at least not putting 100% into it?

You would have to ask Ashton and SL that. My tuppence is that probably not. If a deal was being struck for Ipswich that the owner and board of Bristol City were not aware of in some capacity then it’s highly likely action would have been taken long before it became public. The idea that an industry can keep a secret from others in the industry is almost laughable 
 

The board and the Lansdown family have  now have connections. M&A is often about signaling. And the signals from the owner are pretty clear. It is now about kissing frogs until one turns into a Prince to use an awful industry metaphor. 

15 minutes ago, Rob k said:

It’s not that absurd, How did he get a job with them then if he wasn’t working on a deal? I’ve never told an employer I’m actively seeking employment elsewhere either 

He was working on a deal that’s the point. SL was/is looking for partners buyers. Ashton was working on that, but he found buyers that couldn’t afford/want Bristol City/Bristol Sport-but could afford a club with some history and a decent catchment area like Ipswich. The rest is history. 
 

When you are interested in investment and acquisition you make as many friends and contacts as possible and this is clearly ongoing at our club. Source Steve Lansdown! 

5 minutes ago, Midlands Robin said:

Steve Lansdown must have felt pretty pissed off if Ashton hadn't been up front with him.

City fans had been quite vitriolic about the Smarmy One for a long time prior to the Holden debacle forcing SL to come out and defend his man publicly on several occasions both in print and interviews. 

To then be proven to have backed the wrong horse would have been a smidge embarrassing for a man well regarded in business circles.

I'd love to know the full story regarding Ashton and OTIB (and by extension the supporters club?) But understand and respect that it's unlikely to be written about.

I would guess though that Ashton's initial involvement in the US was probably focused on investment opportunities in Bristol Sport and maybe, when this didn't come to fruition, Ashton saw opportunities elsewhere.

The idea that Ashton was somehow working on a deal with Americans/Ipswich while being employed by Bristol City and no one knew anything is absurd, particularly when taking into account the context of SL stating he was actively looking for investment. 
 

I had no idea that a communication had been made to OITB over the mans departure. In my experience if that kind of thing happens in this kind of arena someone is a bit closer to the truth than others may like. If anyone knows anything I would be delighted to hear/read it.