Lrrr Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Seriously are the bowlers thinking of this strategy by themselves or is someone off pitch telling them to!? What happened during the series with their tail end should have been enough of a hint to not continue with the short into the body stuff. Bowl at the stumps and mix up your bowling with slower balls etc. NZ declare, a fantastic display from them and a great team ethic to go by, no way should this just be a 2 match series, hope the next time they come over its a 3 match series. Surprised NZ have declared now tbh probably half hour play till lunch. Then 5 more sessions for England so a scoring rate wouldn't have to be anything out of the ordinary for England, just got to avoid losing regular wickets. Thought NZ would have kept going as they were until bowled out and try and put 500 up there as they would still have had 4 1/2 or 5 sessions to bowl England out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Seriously are the bowlers thinking of this strategy by themselves or is someone off pitch telling them to!? What happened during the series with their tail end should have been enough of a hint to not continue with the short into the body stuff. Bowl at the stumps and mix up your bowling with slower balls etc. NZ declare, a fantastic display from them and a great team ethic to go by, no way should this just be a 2 match series, hope the next time they come over its a 3 match series. Surprised NZ have declared now tbh probably half hour play till lunch. Then 5 more sessions for England so a scoring rate wouldn't have to be anything out of the ordinary for England, just got to avoid losing regular wickets. Thought NZ would have kept going as they were until bowled out and try and put 500 up there as they would still have had 4 1/2 or 5 sessions to bowl England out.It seems certain time will be lost for rain at some stage, probably behind the decision to declare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Seriously are the bowlers thinking of this strategy by themselves or is someone off pitch telling them to!? What happened during the series with their tail end should have been enough of a hint to not continue with the short into the body stuff. Bowl at the stumps and mix up your bowling with slower balls etc. NZ declare, a fantastic display from them and a great team ethic to go by, no way should this just be a 2 match series, hope the next time they come over its a 3 match series. Surprised NZ have declared now tbh probably half hour play till lunch. Then 5 more sessions for England so a scoring rate wouldn't have to be anything out of the ordinary for England, just got to avoid losing regular wickets. Thought NZ would have kept going as they were until bowled out and try and put 500 up there as they would still have had 4 1/2 or 5 sessions to bowl England out. I'd have to say its on instructions because all the pace bowlers are doing it, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Seriously are the bowlers thinking of this strategy by themselves or is someone off pitch telling them to!? What happened during the series with their tail end should have been enough of a hint to not continue with the short into the body stuff. Bowl at the stumps and mix up your bowling with slower balls etc. NZ declare, a fantastic display from them and a great team ethic to go by, no way should this just be a 2 match series, hope the next time they come over its a 3 match series. Surprised NZ have declared now tbh probably half hour play till lunch. Then 5 more sessions for England so a scoring rate wouldn't have to be anything out of the ordinary for England, just got to avoid losing regular wickets. Thought NZ would have kept going as they were until bowled out and try and put 500 up there as they would still have had 4 1/2 or 5 sessions to bowl England out. If England were to chase it would be a world record run chase. I think they're pretty safe. We won't go for it in the same way they did in the last game. We're England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 pathetic stuff this morning. Getting smashed everywhere. That's harsh. NZ lower order did exactly the same as their first innings and when any lower order batsmen attack the bowling then runs can flow. That said flailing the bat doesn't always work. When they get out to a reckless shot no-one criticises because they're not recognised batsmen and no-one expects much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 That's harsh.NZ lower order did exactly the same as their first innings and when any lower order batsmen attack the bowling then runs can flow. That said flailing the bat doesn't always work.When they get out to a reckless shot no-one criticises because they're not recognised batsmen and no-one expects much.don't think it's harsh. Have more of a plan than just bowling short all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 don't think it's harsh. Have more of a plan than just bowling short all the time. Having "a plan" is fine but when the lower order are flinging the bat the "plan(s)" don't always work. Anderson bowled at Southee And in the same over and got whacked by bowling a fullish delivery and got the same treatment when be bowled an attempted bouncer. What your plan be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Having "a plan" is fine but when the lower order are flinging the bat the "plan(s)" don't always work. Anderson bowled at Southee And in the same over and got whacked by bowling a fullish delivery and got the same treatment when be bowled an attempted bouncer.What your plan be?You can't hit balls bowled at your feet. Not just this game we always have problems bowling at the tail, just not enough thought goes into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Having "a plan" is fine but when the lower order are flinging the bat the "plan(s)" don't always work. Anderson bowled at Southee And in the same over and got whacked by bowling a fullish delivery and got the same treatment when be bowled an attempted bouncer. What your plan be? when they are swinging the bat like Southe and craig were doing, you bowl it full and at the stumps, how many did they miss that went to Butler? 12, 13 balls? if they were at the stumps on a full length bang wicket, the fact that none of them were bowled full or yorker length in ether innings suggest it was a plan all be it a very poor one, and thats englands problems, they don't learn, and that stems down to a poor captain, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 England didn't bowl 1 yorker, how hard is it to think bowling a yorker may be a good idea, infact when looking at the length chart sky show, there was nothing even close to the yorker line, most of the good/full balls were on the shorter side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 England didn't bowl 1 yorker, how hard is it to think bowling a yorker may be a good idea, infact when looking at the length chart sky show, there was nothing even close to the yorker line, most of the good/full balls were on the shorter side. they did the same in the first innings too, they we short to good length next to none full, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Looks like rain is wiping rest of today out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 So the way to dismiss a tail that's wagging is to bowl yorkers? Im truly amazed that Wood,Stokes, Anderson or Broad didn't think of that....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 So the way to dismiss a tail that's wagging is to bowl yorkers? Im truly amazed that Wood,Stokes, Anderson or Broad didn't think of that....... Maybe they should try it, bowling short and wide hardly worked did it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 So the way to dismiss a tail that's wagging is to bowl yorkers? Im truly amazed that Wood,Stokes, Anderson or Broad didn't think of that....... You joke but Chris Lewis still thinks the way to get Brian Lara out is by bouncing him. And he's had a long time to think about it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handsofclay Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 You can't help but admire NZ. What a team ethic! Couldn't agree more with your first point Fordy, but not so sure about the second. I don't think Ethic have been so good since Graham Gooch retired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 No chance England are going to bat out the day. Not because they haven't got batsmen in form but because this pitch and these conditions are a ******* nightmare! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 I've had enough of Ian Bell. Can't score runs and can't catch a cold. Either drop him now or drop him after the third test when he has made 6 more failures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 4 down. Laughable. We badly need a front line spinner, being shown up here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 4 down. Laughable. We badly need a front line spinner, being shown up here. And two new batsmen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 NZ have definitely bowled better than us over the 5 days, but I'm not sure Craig is any better than Moeen, he's just got a helpful pitch. Similarly, the overhead conditions are making the ball swing round corners and the bounce is less even than a FIFA ballot. That said, the discipline of our bowlers yesterday was awful, why no one has had a word with them about the short-pitched stuff is amazing. But I think most teams would struggle to chase down even half the NZ total on this pitch, the damage was done by throwing away the start that Lyth and Cook gave us Bell and Root have given their wickets away playing at balls they didn't need to play at though. Lyth got a good ball and Ballance was a bit unlucky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 And two new batsmen. One new batsman - Stokes. It's a 5 day pitch, difficult conditions and NZ are taking full advantage. England will be hoping for rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 One new batsman - Stokes. It's a 5 day pitch, difficult conditions and NZ are taking full advantage. England will be hoping for rain. Eh? Stokes is already playing. Need replacement for Bell and Ballance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 Eh? Stokes is already playing. Need replacement for Bell and Ballance. I misunderstood your meaning. I thought you meant England had two new batsman in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 You can't help but admire NZ. What a team ethic! I'll pass on that suggestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 look what new Zealand have done, line length bowling, the wickets falling when the ball was pitch at a full length (something england never did once) and they are holding on to their catches, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 look what new Zealand have done, line length bowling, the wickets falling when the ball was pitch at a full length (something england never did once) and they are holding on to their catches, Holding their catches for sure. That said this is a worn 5th day wicket and is playing as you'd expect a fifth day wicket to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 Holding their catches for sure. That said this is a worn 5th day wicket and is playing as you'd expect a fifth day wicket to play. Its playing like a 3/4th day pitch its just England are batting like a village team, we've given away 3 wickets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 Its playing like a 3/4th day pitch its just England are batting like a village team, we've given away 3 wickets I don't know what 3rd/4th day pitches you've played on, but it looks pretty treacherous to me. The rain yesterday is really what screwed England. The only chance of winning was to put 200+ on the board yesterday with 7/8 wickets left. There was no way we could score 400 runs in a day on a perfectly flat pitch, let alone one with uneven bounce, in swinging conditions and a stiff breeze blowing across the ground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 7 runs in total from your 3, 4 and 5 and yet people still reckon the most talented batsman ENG has should not be in the side? Seriously, its laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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