Joe Sims interview with JL

[RedorDead BCFC]

7 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Probably. I think he also mentioned that it was unusual for clubs to give that amount of time off to players, suggesting we were an outlier. So he (or someone else) had obviously done some research.

Assuming he is correct that the players got 10 days off (and I believe this is true) then that means they didn't train from 8th Oct - 17th Oct, and so only returned to training on the Wednesday before the Coventry game.

I'm no expert but that does feel like you're risking going into the Coventry game a bit undercooked. 

And the Coventry game, we looked unfit and out of sorts. 

[the1stknowle]

15 minutes ago, Harry said:

I don’t have any criticism of Joe Sims performance in this interview. It was always going to be relatively soft but he did at least try to ask relevant questions - perhaps just didn’t follow up on the answers as much as a more hard-nosed journalist would. But that’s not what Joe is so I wouldn’t have expected any more. I thought he did a decent job. 
 

As for Jon. There’s one point I’ve not seen mentioned on the thread yet but which sent my alarms bells ringing. 
He was quite clear on a couple of occasions that he “didn’t want to talk about the football side of things because he’s not the expert and there are far better qualified people to talk about that”. 
And yet, on a couple of occasions he was more than willing to say “we haven’t given the players the best platform for their fitness” and “we’ve almost been de-conditioning them”. 
 

So he can’t comment on the football but he’ll happily give an expert opinion on the fitness of the players. 
Again, if you are the widely respected and highly professional Dave Rennie you must be astounded by this! 
 

My other observation - he pretty much confirmed what many posters here have always denied with regard to the recruitment team. 
He clearly says that the manager doesn’t get to come in and say “I want this player”. He can say “I want this position with these qualities” and then the recruitment team will find players that fit that profile and present them to the manager for consideration. 
As I’ve always said - whoever the manager is doesn’t necessarily get their choice of players. They get a shortlist of players from the analysts. 

Edit - whilst typing this I note others have indeed brought up Jon’s medical and performance expertise 

On the recruitment point, is that a bad thing? (Asking genuinely). My understanding was for a while now, the club have been open that recruitment isn't a single person decision but that no one will be brought in without the manager's sign off. At the very least, there must be occasions when Nige led the recruitment process, or Matty James and Andy King are very coincidental choices by the recruitment team. You will know much more than me on this. 

On the physio point - completely agree. Hinting around this thing about conditioning and training is absolutely unacceptable and if there is an issue it needs to be explicitly addressed as a major reason for the changes or completely buried. These hints and passing comments are the worst of both worlds. 

[Silvio Dante]

29 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

So to be clear you are saying James is on “more” than £27k a week?

You joined here a couple of days ago but know this for certain?

Interesting.

 

24 minutes ago, Gillies Downs Leeds said:

Was one of the Saturday night joiners I think

And shockingly, highlighting something around a player Pearson signed. It’s almost like there’s an agenda.

(FWIW When Nige came in one of the things he said was that he wanted to have a “consistent” wage amongst the squad with no outliers on high earners. To then suggest, as the poster has, that he signed players contrary to that strategy - when I think it’s fair to say he’s  got no history of bull - suggests the poster, coincidentally joining this week, is once again briefing to try and support the Lansdowns and put Nige in a bad light. It would be funny if it wasn’t so obvious)

[Mr Popodopolous]

24 minutes ago, Harry said:

My other observation - he pretty much confirmed what many posters here have always denied with regard to the recruitment team. 

He clearly says that the manager doesn’t get to come in and say “I want this player”. He can say “I want this position with these qualities” and then the recruitment team will find players that fit that profile and present them to the manager for consideration. 
As I’ve always said - whoever the manager is doesn’t necessarily get their choice of players. They get a shortlist of players from the analysts.

It is increasingly it seems the modern way to a degree. Not my area of expertise but a manager coming in, ripping it up, starting again etc..is somewhat inhibited with FFP and can be bad for stability too.

New manager coming in and deciding he doesn't like him, him and him, but wants to add gim, him and him can be ruinous.

This feels like another extreme though, some sort of balanced approach is probably needed.

[Kid in the Riot]

6 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

Curtis did say yesterday that the players went away with their personal training plans.

I'd think that on return they would all be tested against those plans and previous stats prior to any break.

The bottom line for me is that Dave Rennie is an expert, JL and a hell of a lot of others in football are not.

Not even necessarily from a fitness perspective, it's just a 10 day break off the pitches so close to a league game that seems odd. 

Players wouldn't usually train three consecutive days before a game either, they usually have the Wednesday off. 

[GrahamC]

1 minute ago, Silvio Dante said:

 

And shockingly, highlighting something around a player Pearson signed. It’s almost like there’s an agenda.

(FWIW When Nige came in one of the things he said was that he wanted to have a “consistent” wage amongst the squad with no outliers on high earners. To then suggest, as the poster has, that he signed players contrary to that strategy - when I think it’s fair to say he’s  got no history of bull - suggests the poster, coincidentally joining this week, is once again briefing to try and support the Lansdowns and put Nige in a bad light. It would be funny if it wasn’t so obvious)

Nige was in charge for 2 and a half years, to the point where if you listened to his press conferences (much as I enjoyed many of them) you could often anticipate what he was going to say.

He must have said he wanted an equitable wage structure about thirty times.

I actually forgot to reference Tomas Kalas in those we have lost to reduce the wage bill & he was the most obvious example where it was not the case.

Doing this (paying James even more than Kalas) would be the complete opposite of that, so strikes me as utter bollocks.

[Olé]

2 hours ago, Carey 6 said:

Perhaps Johnson should’ve done that more, we usually came back after international breaks playing abysmally. I think @Olé once wrote a thread on it. 

Hello mate. Yes Lee Johnson's record after international breaks at one time was P17 W1 D6 L10.

Funny it didn't seem to matter to the Lansdown's then. But it definitely the reason now, 100%, that's me fully convinced.

[spudski]

18 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Probably. I think he also mentioned that it was unusual for clubs to give that amount of time off to players, suggesting we were an outlier. So he (or someone else) had obviously done some research.

Assuming he is correct that the players got 10 days off (and I believe this is true) then that means they didn't train from 8th Oct - 17th Oct, and so only returned to training on the Wednesday before the Coventry game.

I'm no expert but that does feel like you're risking going into the Coventry game a bit undercooked. 

I guess also it depends on what the players did on their time off. 

Most still run and exercise. 

They are monitored, as is their down time and sleep, you'll know that. 

Perhaps some didn't...

[Tomo]

What did we learn? Not a great deal...

JL thinks he knows more than DR

Money is available but not for NP

JL has ignored 'post international break' results

Fans support for NP brushed aside

No real justification to sack NP

BT is running the show 

Onwards and Upwards

 

 

[robin_unreliant]

1 hour ago, ashton_fan said:

 

Social media platforms not as useful as they used to be for communicating with fans

Translation - we used to like it but now all we get is supporters slamming us for all the awful decisions we've made.

[Harry]

13 minutes ago, nebristolred said:

I actually think this sounds worse than it is. I doubt there's a single football club in the top 3 or 4 divisions that doesn't have a recruitment and/or analyst team that does this role, that's entirely normal.

The only potential alarm bells there are to say that the manager doesn't get to come in and make a suggestion or say I want X player. I'm not sure JL actually said that to be fair to him, and I'd be amazed if they as a club refused to look into a potential signing that the manager wanted. The signings of King and James really suggest that's not the case.

Again, lots of things worry me about the organisation of the club at the moment but I'm not sure that is actually one of them.

 

10 minutes ago, the1stknowle said:

On the recruitment point, is that a bad thing? (Asking genuinely). My understanding was for a while now, the club have been open that recruitment isn't a single person decision but that no one will be brought in without the manager's sign off. At the very least, there must be occasions when Nige led the recruitment process, or Matty James and Andy King are very coincidental choices by the recruitment team. You will know much more than me on this. 

On the physio point - completely agree. Hinting around this thing about conditioning and training is absolutely unacceptable and if there is an issue it needs to be explicitly addressed as a major reason for the changes or completely buried. These hints and passing comments are the worst of both worlds. 

 

3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

It is increasingly it seems the modern way to a degree. Not my area of expertise but a manager coming in, ripping it up, starting again etc..is somewhat inhibited with FFP and can be bad for stability too.

New manager coming in and deciding he doesn't like him, him and him, but wants to add gim, him and him can be ruinous.

This feels like another extreme though, some sort of balanced approach is probably needed.

Agreed. I’m not necessarily saying it’s not the right way but it’s more a bit of confirmation to some posters who disagreed with me for years on this. Specifically in regard to people laying the blame at LJ’s door for the crap signings and increased wages. 

As I always said - and I know because I’ve seen text messages to back it up, LJ was always given a list to choose from. So he wasn’t to blame for the massive overspend or wages despite many fans thinking they were “his signings”. 

[Ian M]

3 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Not even necessarily from a fitness perspective, it's just a 10 day break off the pitches so close to a league game that seems odd. 

Players wouldn't usually train three consecutive days before a game either, they usually have the Wednesday off. 

It hasn't been said to be consecutive has it?

Could be 10 days off, total, in the last international break?

Squad back on the Tuesday to assess and hold some sessions, usual Wednesday off, train Thurs/Friday?

 

[Pezo]

3 hours ago, James54De said:

Do not believe, for one second, that we now have a top ten budget. Not one ******* second. 

We might do this week, we didn't last week?

[exAtyeoMax]

25 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

17 mins - re new structure.

GM - CEO

TR - Football Ops

BT - Technical Director

“Bristol Sport” - Commercial (although not specifically mentioned)

I actually agree with the new set-up, and it’s morph from NP and RG.

But, we now get to see whether it works, whether we have the right people in role with the right skills.  You could question that with BT appointed to role in Nov 2022, whether with RG going they could’ve morphed to the new set up straight away, ie not appoint Phil Alexander.

perhaps they were too scared to get rid of Nige then? or too expensive? or results improved too much?

[WessexPest]

Listening to that t*t gives you mental constipation. Every time Jonny Boy goes in front of the camera I become more and more convinced that he’s a dangerous fool actively doing harm to this club.

I bet Daddy is just out of camera view holding a swirly lollipop like child actors have in the movies.

Straight in the bin with this interview.

[Hartleysbeard]

1 hour ago, Gilli74 said:

That’s just on here ? The voices on Twitter were far more vocal and and in large quantity … and as equally valid as the posters on here … yes there was a time … but it has improved since then …. So I’d say he’s not wrong in his comment .. 

seems to me that people use whatever stats they have available to frame their own narrative. You can’t on one hand say the decision to sack NP unanimously angered the fans, then dismiss the idea that the same demographic wanted him gone less than 12 months ago. 

[Sleepy1968]

3 hours ago, TV Tom said:

That's fine, most football supporters would support anyone as long as the results are there, even Joey Barton !!!!  

Speak for yourself.

[Bat Fastard]

12 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Not even necessarily from a fitness perspective, it's just a 10 day break off the pitches so close to a league game that seems odd. 

Players wouldn't usually train three consecutive days before a game either, they usually have the Wednesday off. 

I imagine that they would have been given a personal training schedule and that this would have been monitored.

[petehinton]

An open goal scrambler that needs to be asked too…

So Jon, your most senior medical professional has left whilst lots of injuries still remain. We saw 4 players return to full training this week, so who’s making the decisions on players training & return to match days now?

[Bristol Oil Services]

2 hours ago, And Its Smith said:

Bit of brown on Joes nose after that interview 

Golden? Texture like sun?

[Ian M]

We've made the change(s) because JL & BT believe they know better how to get out of this division than Pearson, Rennie and Alexander. 
 

JL who personably thoughout the interview admitted he's learning as he goes.
BT who was a failed League One manager who's whole mantra was "I will work harder than anyone else".

 

Maybe the increased time off compared to others was necessary because we have a smaller squad than everyone else and want to play a high-energy brand of football so aren't able to rest players during the competition as well as our rivals?

Maybe the high number of injuries we have (mainly contact injuries) are a direct result of this pressing style we want, putting players in position of risk more often? Injuries that then allow us even less scope to reduce the load on players' bodies during competition, thus necessitating a longer rest period during International breaks?

[Hartleysbeard]

43 minutes ago, Harry said:

I don’t have any criticism of Joe Sims performance in this interview. It was always going to be relatively soft but he did at least try to ask relevant questions - perhaps just didn’t follow up on the answers as much as a more hard-nosed journalist would. But that’s not what Joe is so I wouldn’t have expected any more. I thought he did a decent job. 
 

As for Jon. There’s one point I’ve not seen mentioned on the thread yet but which sent my alarms bells ringing. 
He was quite clear on a couple of occasions that he “didn’t want to talk about the football side of things because he’s not the expert and there are far better qualified people to talk about that”. 
And yet, on a couple of occasions he was more than willing to say “we haven’t given the players the best platform for their fitness” and “we’ve almost been de-conditioning them”. 
 

So he can’t comment on the football but he’ll happily give an expert opinion on the fitness of the players. 
Again, if you are the widely respected and highly professional Dave Rennie you must be astounded by this! 
 

My other observation - he pretty much confirmed what many posters here have always denied with regard to the recruitment team. 
He clearly says that the manager doesn’t get to come in and say “I want this player”. He can say “I want this position with these qualities” and then the recruitment team will find players that fit that profile and present them to the manager for consideration. 
As I’ve always said - whoever the manager is doesn’t necessarily get their choice of players. They get a shortlist of players from the analysts. 

Edit - whilst typing this I note others have indeed brought up Jon’s medical and performance expertise 

I get your point here, but you could also view it that he’s just the spokesperson for the wider views held by the club and that it’s an opinion informed by those who are experts in such matters? I may be wrong, just trying to be objective and not immediately jump on everything the guy says and call him out on it. 

[Numero Uno]

2 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

Math Withers on now pulling the “could be Reading, could be Weds” card and saying Lansdown has “fronted up”.

So, Jon’s been interviewed by a quasi club employee and now we have the podcast who are “in” with the club. Nice balance guys, nice balance.

Could be Brentford, Brighton, Burnley or even Luton. It’s a shite argument that stinks of accepting mediocrity. Albeit a very predictable one.

The fact is we’ve had the right levels of investment for over twenty years and we are as bang average a Championship club as you can get. That shouldn’t cost £200m plus to reach that point. Who carries the can for that?

[Ian M]

3 hours ago, James54De said:

Do not believe, for one second, that we now have a top ten budget. Not one ******* second. 

Some of this budget may have been ear-marked in the Summer for sacking our management team when results allowed. Paid for by the Scott money our management team helped generate.

[Guest]

28 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Probably. I think he also mentioned that it was unusual for clubs to give that amount of time off to players, suggesting we were an outlier. So he (or someone else) had obviously done some research.

Assuming he is correct that the players got 10 days off (and I believe this is true) then that means they didn't train from 8th Oct - 17th Oct, and so only returned to training on the Wednesday before the Coventry game.

I'm no expert but that does feel like you're risking going into the Coventry game a bit undercooked. 

This not training is a bit of a red herring. Any players on international duty would have been training or playing.

Any players who were injured (long or short term) would have continued their rehab, often injured players spend more time ‘training’ than fit players.

Many players would have continued to keep themselves in shape by voluntarily attending the RHPC or working independently with personal trainers.

Even if away on a holiday players would have ticked over by doing some fitness work.
The days of allowing fitness to slip (such as the closed season) are long gone, hence the change in training methods at pre season.

Why is it such an issue now and not previously? Where is the evidence to support the claim of under trained?

[Ian M]

6 minutes ago, Hartleysbeard said:

seems to me that people use whatever stats they have available to frame their own narrative. You can’t on one hand say the decision to sack NP unanimously angered the fans, then dismiss the idea that the same demographic wanted him gone less than 12 months ago. 

I totally agree with this.
If you are to believe a poll on the matter now is representative of fan opinion, you can't just dismiss one 12 months earlier (with similar sample size) because you didn't like the result.

12 months ago a sizeable portion of City fans wanted him gone. 
12 months on that sizeable portion had changed their minds and wanted his stay extended.
It was at this point the board act and sack him. Then point that they are giving us what we wanted 12 months ago

[Bristol Oil Services]

2 hours ago, Red Army 75 said:

Be careful what you wish for.

That phrase gets right on my nerves 

There must've been - in the dog years of Marcus Evans and Mick McCarthy - conservative Ipswich fans gravely advising uppity Tractor Boys itching for something new, different, to be done, to be "careful" what they wished for.

Where we are now looks a lot like Ipswich under that duo, I think they had been in the Championship for the longest unbroken stretch, going around in circles, playing dour football. 

[One Team]

The fact he mentions social media says to me he knows exactly what’s being said online. 

“Dad! Dad! They are saying lots of nasty things about us!”.

”Don’t worry son. Give it a few weeks they will forget all about us sacking Nigel Pearson”.

No. We. Won’t. 

The Lansdowns have jumped the shark in such a disrespectful and dishonest way the majority of fans are done with them. 

[Ian M]

1 minute ago, Countryfile said:

This not training is a bit of a red herring. Any players on international duty would have been training or playing.

Any players who were injured (long or short term) would have continued their rehab, often injured players spend more time ‘training’ than fit players.

Many players would have continued to keep themselves in shape by voluntarily attending the RHPC or working independently with personal trainers.

Even if away on a holiday players would have ticked over by doing some fitness work.
The days of allowing fitness to slip (such as the closed season) are long gone, hence the change in training methods at pre season.

Why is it such an issue now and not previously? Where is the evidence to support the claim of under trained?

We've got a "great bunch of players" here, we keep being told.

From the evidence of our own eyes they are the fittest we've been in years (side evidence of not conceding late goals as often).

They've bought into this, as they have told us in interviews on the club's social media channels, through individualised training programmes.

Are we to believe these players allowed themselves to be de-conditioned mid-season by being given 10 days away from group training?

I have my doubts.

[TV Tom]

11 minutes ago, Sleepy1968 said:

Speak for yourself.

Not me my friend, the day we are taken over by any regime with disgusting human-rights laws like Saudi Arabia is the day i walk away, don't have much time for wife-beaters either 

[EstoniaTallinnRed]

1 hour ago, ralphindevon said:

If you knew nothing about our club and listened to that you’d think Brian Tinnion was our CEO, first team manager, director of football……..

Over to you Mr T. 

Yes, it was Brian this and Brian that, really sounded like BT was running the show.

[nebristolred]

23 minutes ago, Harry said:

 

 

Agreed. I’m not necessarily saying it’s not the right way but it’s more a bit of confirmation to some posters who disagreed with me for years on this. Specifically in regard to people laying the blame at LJ’s door for the crap signings and increased wages. 

As I always said - and I know because I’ve seen text messages to back it up, LJ was always given a list to choose from. So he wasn’t to blame for the massive overspend or wages despite many fans thinking they were “his signings”. 

That's very interesting and sounds about right to be fair. But surely LJ would have had a veto on those signings, or at least some of them? I'm not trying to get into a blame-LJ match here, it's just interesting to try to piece together how things work. Either it is an entirely a club piece and the manager works with what he's got (which is unlikely), or LJ was able to veto some of them, which I'd say is more likely.

In that instance, it does bear the question as to why we as a club came to some of them. The one that always got me was Szmodics and Palmer being signed in the same window. Same position, one in which I'm pretty sure we already have plenty of players - different types of player sure but essentially 2 of the same signing when it was totally unnecessary. Surely that's an instance where as a manager you veto that. It's all very puzzling.

Edited November 3, 2023 by nebristolred

[Numero Uno]

1 minute ago, TV Tom said:

Not me my friend, the day we are taken over by any regime with disgusting human-rights laws like Saudi Arabia is the day i walk away, don't have much time for wife-beaters either 

Didn't stop Stevie Boy employing a convicted one................I assume you only came back after Simpson left the club.

[bearded_red]

They were so badly conditioned going into the Coventry game that we got stronger as the game went on and our fitness was clearly one of the things that got us over the line in a game which we didn’t play particularly well.

Still, the outright lies seem to be getting bought by enough people on Twitter, so it’s worked a charm. I’d pay good money to see Dave Rennie put the nepo baby crayon shagger in his place.

[Ian M]

1 minute ago, bearded_red said:

They were so badly conditioned going into the Coventry game that we got stronger as the game went on and our fitness was clearly one of the things that got us over the line in a game which we didn’t play particularly well.

Still, the outright lies seem to be getting bought by enough people on Twitter, so it’s worked a charm. I’d pay good money to see Dave Rennie put the nepo baby crayon shagger in his place.

It's not gonna be JL's opinion though is it, he's just repeating what someone else (probably BT) has whispered in his ear. 

With a failed League One manager constantly criticising his methods, I can understand why Nigel was irritated.

[Bristol Oil Services]

1 hour ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

Yes.

Not the ones in Sneyd Park who shall remain nameless (on here) I trust? 

[TV Tom]

2 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

Didn't stop Stevie Boy employing a convicted one................I assume you only came back after Simpson left the club.

Buying Simpson was a poor move by Pearson for more than one reason

[johnheadbcfc]

1 minute ago, bearded_red said:

They were so badly conditioned going into the Coventry game that we got stronger as the game went on and our fitness was clearly one of the things that got us over the line in a game which we didn’t play particularly well.

Still, the outright lies seem to be getting bought by enough people on Twitter, so it’s worked a charm. I’d pay good money to see Dave Rennie put the nepo baby crayon shagger in his place.

I wouldnt say we got stronger from my memory it was a awful game from both teams.

[EstoniaTallinnRed]

18 minutes ago, petehinton said:

An open goal scrambler that needs to be asked too…

So Jon, your most senior medical professional has left whilst lots of injuries still remain. We saw 4 players return to full training this week, so who’s making the decisions on players training & return to match days now?

Surely that will be ever ready and mutifunctional BT!!!!!!

[UncleRed]

2 minutes ago, TV Tom said:

Buying Simpson was a poor move by Pearson for more than one reason

Careful criticising the OTIB messiah in any way, shape or form. You might find yourself on someone’s ignore list.

[One Team]

3 minutes ago, Ian M said:

It's not gonna be JL's opinion though is it, he's just repeating what someone else (probably BT) has whispered in his ear. 

With a failed League One manager constantly criticising his methods, I can understand why Nigel was irritated.

True, I mean Nige hasn’t got the association we have with him. He may well have thought “who the **** are you?”. It’s sad as in the Hen and Chicken session with Gould they seemed a good trio.

[Ian Pople]

4 hours ago, !james said:

Can we not turn every thread into these weird arguments between certain posters?!

Either ignore eachother or private message eachother, no one else wants to read it (yes I have most of them on ignore myself).

If you've got it on ignore, why waste your time going on the forum, just stay off it

[Numero Uno]

Just now, TV Tom said:

Buying Simpson was a poor move by Pearson for more than one reason

Ratified by Lansdown. Nige or any other manager cannot just go and sign the players they want to without Steve knowing or approving. Your moral ownership argument is shown to be questionable so you blame Pearson but the Owner gets away scot free. Steve was totally conned here and had no say in the matter....is that correct? He could easily have said "I understand why you want to bring him in Nige but you need to go and find a different experienced player I'm afraid".

[TV Tom]

3 minutes ago, johnheadbcfc said:

I wouldnt say we got stronger from my memory it was a awful game from both teams.

To be honest most of our games have been awful though i did enjoy Blackburn away 53 games ago

[johnheadbcfc]

1 minute ago, TV Tom said:

To be honest most of our games have been awful though i did enjoy Blackburn away 53 games ago

Millwall away this year for me

[!james]

3 minutes ago, Ian Pople said:

If you've got it on ignore, why waste your time going on the forum, just stay off it

The weird posters who argue on every thread are on ignore not the topics

[frenchred]

5 minutes ago, UncleRed said:

Careful criticising the OTIB messiah in any way, shape or form. You might find yourself on someone’s ignore list.

He's gone on mine as of now, and so have you!

Bye

[Davefevs]

Finished listening.

Really 42 mins of waffle.  All very nicely-nicey.  A few contradictions too.

In summary, JL has done nothing to change my opinion of him and the way he / SL run the club.

I’m still very open-minded on Tins.  I’ve heard lots of stuff on him this last week too, just like I have re Nige and Rennie and my overriding thought is - he’s in the spotlight now, it’s up to him to deliver.

I think there has been a helluva lot of BS put out there.  I’ve not heard much that changes my initial view.  My only anger is some felt it necessary to spread shit now.  All too convenient.

[exAtyeoMax]

18 minutes ago, Ian M said:

I totally agree with this.
If you are to believe a poll on the matter now is representative of fan opinion, you can't just dismiss one 12 months earlier (with similar sample size) because you didn't like the result.

12 months ago a sizeable portion of City fans wanted him gone. 
12 months on that sizeable portion had changed their minds and wanted his stay extended.
It was at this point the board act and sack him. Then point that they are giving us what we wanted 12 months ago

Am I missing the point? Are they dismissing the result because it doesn't fit their narrative or is it because events have changed since the first poll?

[TV Tom]

3 minutes ago, johnheadbcfc said:

Millwall away this year for me

Had a good day out that day, football was usual poor fare but result was excellent 

[UncleRed]

2 minutes ago, frenchred said:

He's gone on mine as of now, and so have you!

Bye

The easy way out when someone has a different opinion than yours. Shame.

[One Team]

2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Finished listening.

Really 42 mins of waffle.  All very nicely-nicey.  A few contradictions too.

In summary, JL has done nothing to change my opinion of him and the way he / SL run the club.

I’m still very open-minded on Tins.  I’ve heard lots of stuff on him this last week too, just like I have re Nige and Rennie and my overriding thought is - he’s in the spotlight now, it’s up to him to deliver.

I think there has been a helluva lot of BS put out there.  I’ve not heard much that changes my initial view.  My only anger is some felt it necessary to spread shit now.  All too convenient.

Well said Fevs. I’m not sure on Tinnion either, but equally unsure as to whether my love for him as a player and bringing youth through is clouding things. As you say, he’s front and centre now. 

[Sir Geoff]

14 minutes ago, TV Tom said:

Buying Simpson was a poor move by Pearson for more than one reason

Except he didn't buy him did he.

[Ska Junkie]

Personally, I didn't mind that interview.

Very process oriented but admission of mistakes was nice to hear and I know more now than I did beforehand.

Not necessarily the questions I would have wanted to be asked but, on the whole, a decent listen.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TV Tom]

7 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

Ratified by Lansdown. Nige or any other manager cannot just go and sign the players they want to without Steve knowing or approving. Your moral ownership argument is shown to be questionable so you blame Pearson but the Owner gets away scot free. Steve was totally conned here and had no say in the matter....is that correct? He could easily have said "I understand why you want to bring him in Nige but you need to go and find a different experienced player I'm afraid".

I give up 

[exAtyeoMax]

1 minute ago, One Team said:

Well said Fevs. I’m not sure on Tinnion either, but equally unsure as to whether my love for him as a player and bringing youth through is clouding things. As you say, he’s front and centre now. 

does that mean if we don't get promoted this year (or at least POs) he'll have to go?

[the1stknowle]

1 hour ago, petehinton said:

“We’re not going to line someone up whilst someone’s still in charge, we have morals”

Ah so that’s why SO’D was near enough given the job at half time of McInnes’ last game then

Meh -bit damned if you do, damned if you don't on this.

My memory of the Derek McInnes sacking was SL really fronting up in a way that would have been welcome here. (Both results and football were terrible and the player culture out of control at that point so maybe it was a lot more straightforward to be upfront.)

[Sir Geoff]

11 minutes ago, UncleRed said:

Careful criticising the OTIB messiah in any way, shape or form. You might find yourself on someone’s ignore list.

Another new user with red in his title. Shame Bristol Sport employees couldn't be a bit more imaginative.

[Hartleysbeard]

14 minutes ago, johnheadbcfc said:

I wouldnt say we got stronger from my memory it was an awful game from both teams.

Quite. A dreadful game in which we looked second best throughout. Daylight robbery of a win; went home chuckling to myself. 

[TV Tom]

Just now, Sir Geoff said:

Except he didn't buy him did he.

ffs, ok, he signed him he didn't buy him 

[frenchred]

1 minute ago, Hartleysbeard said:

Quite. A dreadful game in which we looked second best throughout. Daylight robbery of a win; went home chuckling to myself. 

Probably exactly how the stoke fans left Ashton gate a few days earlier

[johnheadbcfc]

3 minutes ago, TV Tom said:

I give up 

How dare the owner butt in , why didn't the owner butt in

[UncleRed]

2 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said:

Another new user with red in his title. Shame Bristol Sport employees couldn't be a bit more imaginative.

Hopefully one of the many people ITK on this forum doesn’t inform JL of my finding out.

[RedRock]

Not been able to listen to the interview but picking things off here:-

Club communication post-Gould has been lamentable,  Nige stepped into the breach and dictated the narrative. Hence, why the hierarchy are on the back foot now. Shared BS CEO and media has been disasterous for the football club, despite what we were assured. Needs sorting now, particularly as we know JL and BT are not good public communicators.

The injuries are what did it for Nige. You don't need to be a sports scientist to determine that 12 injured out of a squad 24 odd players is a massive fail by any measure. So with JL on this one - assuming the pitches are ruled out as the reason. Nige's defence of bad luck and all bar one are impact injuries didn't wash with me either.

What is undoubtedly an absolute fail is not having anyone lined up to replace Nige. Frankly that is amateur beyond belief.

What a total shambles this has been from the start to the current point of this messy saga. When we look back to having the best CEO in the Championship to a now a deleted post, the best shirts to the worst, one of the best managers to none, one of the best media teams to something that appears to have gone mute... it would appear things can only get better. But this is Bristol City so we may yet have a way to go.

 

[ashton_fan]

14 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

Ratified by Lansdown. Nige or any other manager cannot just go and sign the players they want to without Steve knowing or approving. Your moral ownership argument is shown to be questionable so you blame Pearson but the Owner gets away scot free. Steve was totally conned here and had no say in the matter....is that correct? He could easily have said "I understand why you want to bring him in Nige but you need to go and find a different experienced player I'm afraid".

If SL had blocked that NP would probably have walked out in week 1 so Steve didn't have much choice 

[Harry]

36 minutes ago, Hartleysbeard said:

I get your point here, but you could also view it that he’s just the spokesperson for the wider views held by the club and that it’s an opinion informed by those who are experts in such matters? I may be wrong, just trying to be objective and not immediately jump on everything the guy says and call him out on it. 

My point was more the contradiction. He was happy to share his comments on the players fitness regime but “I don’t want to talk about the football - there are others more qualified than me to do that”. 
If there were others telling him about the fitness I’m sure they’ve told him about the football too. 
Why is he happy to comment on one but not the other? 

[Show Me The Money!]

1 hour ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Plus one other, Rawcliffe I expect, or maybe Marshall. 

It would be nice to hear from Rawcliffe given he is COO.

So another non-football person.

Even with Tinnion i don't get that warm fluffy feeling that he's experienced enough to be recommending the next head coach being not a particularly successful or experienced head coach himself.

Here's hoping that for all this whether through wisdom or through luck we get the right person to take us upwards

[GrahamC]

20 minutes ago, TV Tom said:

Buying Simpson was a poor move by Pearson for more than one reason

He didn’t “buy” him.

He was a free agent.

It was a mistake though & a player I would have preferred had never played for us.

However even Alex Ferguson signed a lot of duds in his time & when compared to LJ (how long a list do you want?) or even Holden’s brief spell (he signed Chris Brunt, who was arguably worse than Simpson) it was very minor.

[Numero Uno]

9 minutes ago, TV Tom said:

I give up 

That's a shame.

[Kid in the Riot]

3 minutes ago, Harry said:

My point was more the contradiction. He was happy to share his comments on the players fitness regime but “I don’t want to talk about the football - there are others more qualified than me to do that”. 
If there were others telling him about the fitness I’m sure they’ve told him about the football too. 
Why is he happy to comment on one but not the other? 

One is an excuse for getting rid of Nige, the other he wants us to believe he has no interference/input on footballing matters (clearly bollox).