TDarwall Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 I genuinely don't understand how one can be proud of a flag (unless they'd personally designed/made it). 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 (edited) 19 hours ago, SecretSam said: There's always someone getting CROSS about something unimportant Was that intentional? if so it's very witty. Edited March 22 by pillred 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 Let’s get the flags on the kit of the other home nations changed , i would out my house on it , it wouldn’t happen there would be absolute uproar 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 (edited) 33 minutes ago, 8 men had a dream said: Yes I totally agree. We are about to play 2 excellent friendlies, have a really promising tournament on the horizon and yet there is an issue that has divided England's supporters. Reminds me about the Euros 2020(21) when the divisive issue was taking the knee - rather than everyone uniting around the England team. It's such a shame things become so divisive these days. It's the lead on the Daily Mail!! Surely there are more important things happening in the world. Division results in engagement results in profits. Yep. Bottom line all about profits. Trash a Country’s flag, offend, inevitable reaction, produce new shirt with the national flag, sell more. We’ve seen this sort of marketing before. Capitalism at its very worst. Well, apart from our foreign-owned Water Companies and, erm, virtually everything else. The issue is more than ‘just a flag’. The fundamental here is out of control capitalism where nothing is sacrosanct in pursuit of ££££. So looking at the issue a bit deeper, a bit of an ‘own goal’ for the Mail? Edited March 22 by RedRock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossi the Robin Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 Nike have pulled a blinder here, so much free advertising 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 14 minutes ago, TDarwall said: I genuinely don't understand how one can be proud of a flag (unless they'd personally designed/made it). Surely you understand its not about the actual flag but what a nations flag signifies? That’s what people are proud of. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 1 hour ago, Fordy62 said: Forget the whole flag outrage. That purple kit is the most beautiful England football kit I think I’ve ever seen. Part of me wants to buy one. Then I remember the price and the fact that I’m 43. But it very nearly had me. 43 is still young, you don't realise it at this moment in time but looking back at pictures of yourself when you're my age you will realise it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54-46 Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 If they change it, these original ones will be worth a few quid in years to come. Like the old Sex Pistols picture sleeves for God Save the Queen on A&M and The Great Rock n Roll Swindle with an AMEX card on the cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDarwall Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 7 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said: Surely you understand its not about the actual flag but what a nations flag signifies? That’s what people are proud of. Ok, so what does a nation flag signify? Each to their own, I support our sports teams but i don't really get the whole issue of national pride. We had no choice, we just happened to be born here. We could have been born anywhere & we'd have felt the same about there as here. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTBLUE Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 It’s the players wearing the shirt that matters to me,not that the shirt has or has not got a red and white cross on the back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_bristol Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 Amending the flag is a bit daft, “culture war” accusations are worse but it’s the price that’s really abhorrent. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 1 minute ago, TDarwall said: Ok, so what does a nation flag signify? Each to their own, I support our sports teams but i don't really get the whole issue of national pride. We had no choice, we just happened to be born here. We could have been born anywhere & we'd have felt the same about there as here. I think you’re in the minority TD. I’m proud to be an Englishman, our history, our beautiful countryside and architecture and we’re the envy of many Americans and antipodeans. Whats not to like? Btw - I’m not including politics in that. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 4 minutes ago, TDarwall said: Ok, so what does a nation flag signify? Each to their own, I support our sports teams but i don't really get the whole issue of national pride. We had no choice, we just happened to be born here. We could have been born anywhere & we'd have felt the same about there as here. It's guess it's down to the individual what they are proud about of England. So you only support the teams because you was born here? So I can't be proud of Bristol City because I was born here? Shall we not be proud of our children? Simply because it was them that was born and it could have been another child that was born instead? See how silly that sounds? There is nothing wrong with being proud of anything. I'm astonished we're even having this conversation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 BBC: Sunak says 'don't mess' with flag Also from the Conservatives: 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 1 minute ago, Robbored said: I think you’re in the minority TD. I’m proud to be an Englishman, our history, our beautiful countryside and architecture and we’re the envy of many Americans and antipodeans. Whats not to like? Btw - I’m not including politics in that. Sewage in our seas and rivers. Gross wealth inequality and high levels of child poverty. The unaffordability of housing for young people. Grotesque profits for utility companies while bills increase. An outdated democratic system. Unelected Lords influencing our law making and governance selected by whoever the Prime Minister chooses. A third world transport system in the world’s 6th biggest economy. Underfunded and inadequate public services in the world‘s 6th biggest economy. The weather. Just off the top of my head. 3 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted March 22 Admin Report Share Posted March 22 9 minutes ago, View from the Dolman said: BBC: Sunak says 'don't mess' with flag Also from the Conservatives: The colours haven't been changed Remarkably for our Government they actually agree on something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 Just saw that the England shirt is in the shops at £120 - not that I’d ever consider buying one as I still have the England shirt from 1996. Unfortunately it must have shrunk in the wash as I can’t get into it anymore……… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted March 22 Admin Report Share Posted March 22 Just now, ChippenhamRed said: Sewage in our seas and rivers. Gross wealth inequality and high levels of child poverty. The unaffordability of housing for young people. Grotesque profits for utility companies while bills increase. An outdated democratic system. Unelected Lords influencing our law making and governance selected by whoever the Prime Minister chooses. A third world transport system in the world’s 6th biggest economy. Underfunded and inadequate public services in the world‘s 6th biggest economy. The weather. Just off the top of my head. You missed his next line that referenced not including politics 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 1 minute ago, ChippenhamRed said: Sewage in our seas and rivers. Gross wealth inequality and high levels of child poverty. The unaffordability of housing for young people. Grotesque profits for utility companies while bills increase. An outdated democratic system. Unelected Lords influencing our law making and governance selected by whoever the Prime Minister chooses. A third world transport system in the world’s 6th biggest economy. Underfunded and inadequate public services in the world‘s 6th biggest economy. The weather. Just off the top of my head. So which country are you emigrating to? 2 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 1 minute ago, phantom said: The colours haven't been changed Remarkably for our Government they actually agree on something OK just to be clear on this it’s only the colours that matter, yes? Not the form? So if they’d kept the flag red but made the lines curved instead of straight that would have been OK yeah? Just need to check the rules on what we’re supposed to be offended by. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 2 minutes ago, phantom said: The colours haven't been changed Utter mistruth. The Union flag has consistent colours. The representation in the Conservative logo has varying shades of red and blue as white being given a blue tinge. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baba Yaga Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 Considering that people have commented that the away kit looks blue in some light and purple in others was it supposed to be related to that? Whether it is or not the price is too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebristolred Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Robbored said: So which country are you emigrating to? You can still love the country and your family/friends in it, while also realising that operationally it's a pile of shit and lightyears behind other comparable countries. To be fair though, this has nothing to do with the fact that we're tweaked a flag to fit in more with the design of the kit. Crazy, crazy reaction. Edited March 22 by nebristolred 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 2 minutes ago, phantom said: You missed his next line that referenced not including politics Sorry, didn’t realise that waiting three hours for a train to get to a beach with shit on it isn’t allowed to influence our sense of national pride. I really can’t keep up with the rules. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 4 minutes ago, Robbored said: So which country are you emigrating to? Thanks for asking, we have considered New Zealand. A better quality of life by pretty much every metric. However, we have family that tie us to this country for the time being, and don’t wish to disrupt our children’s education. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 4 minutes ago, Baba Yaga said: Considering that people have commented that the away kit looks blue in some light and purple in others was it supposed to be related to that? Whether it is or not the price is too much. It’s absolutely that, it’s an artistic choice to align with the colour palettes used on the kits. Nothing to do with “inclusion” or anything like that, which isn’t represented by that limited colour range anyway. But that doesn’t fit with people’s weird need to be offended by even the most minor of things. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_bristol Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 Other businesses such as on the beach and paddy power now trying to get some reflected publicity from the furore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham76 Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 ….Jon Lansdown frantically shredding concepts of a Bristol City rainbow robin badge. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDarwall Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 26 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said: It's guess it's down to the individual what they are proud about of England. So you only support the teams because you was born here? So I can't be proud of Bristol City because I was born here? Shall we not be proud of our children? Simply because it was them that was born and it could have been another child that was born instead? See how silly that sounds? There is nothing wrong with being proud of anything. I'm astonished we're even having this conversation. Absolutely agree it's down to the individual. I'm immensely proud of my children, I would expect all parents to feel the same. If I'm proud of the great things this country has done, should I also be ashamed of its atrocities? Or is it pick n mix & I just consider the bits I like? Here's a fun thing, when people say they're proud to be British, you often find out they don't like Scots or the Welsh. So they're proud to be English but they don't like Scousers, Manc's or Brummies. So then they're proud of Bristol but (quite rightly) not the Rovers bits. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 (edited) Irony being St George was a 3rd Century Turk who is unlikely to have ever visited the UK. His 'cross' was only added to the Royal Standard in 1348 and only became incorporated into the flag of Britain in the early 17th century. It's only very recently that it's been viewed in such a patriotic way outside of military use Edited March 22 by JBFC II 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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