Simon bristol Posted June 20, 2023 Report Share Posted June 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Gillies Downs Leeds said: Could prob afford fee but no chance on wages. Yeah i guess,,, though west brom are in trouble… perhaps if scott leaves that might be a plan b option Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KegCity Posted June 20, 2023 Report Share Posted June 20, 2023 1 hour ago, OliOTIB said: Scott scored twice last year- yet we all want teams to spend 20+ million on him Why are centre mids judged by the amount of goals they score on here? Gives no indication of the quality of the player whatsoever. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 20, 2023 Report Share Posted June 20, 2023 9 minutes ago, Simon bristol said: Yeah i guess,,, though west brom are in trouble… perhaps if scott leaves that might be a plan b option Could become an option if Scott leaves IMO. Whole dynamic of the window changes then, without I doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon bristol Posted June 20, 2023 Report Share Posted June 20, 2023 8 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Could become an option if Scott leaves IMO. Whole dynamic of the window changes then, without I doubt. Yes, though i doubt we have the appetite to go into the 20k per week salary range,,, and neither should we! 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted June 20, 2023 Report Share Posted June 20, 2023 16 minutes ago, KegCity said: Why are centre mids judged by the amount of goals they score on here? Gives no indication of the quality of the player whatsoever. Well it does a bit. The quality of any player particularly in midfield is going to be judged on a number of levels and issues. Goals is an incorporating factor. Hence the criticism on here by a few numpties of a 19 year old phenomenon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OliOTIB Posted June 20, 2023 Report Share Posted June 20, 2023 40 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I think Oli was having a go at others re Scott, not criticising Scott himself. Thank you dave haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBB Posted June 20, 2023 Report Share Posted June 20, 2023 1 hour ago, OliOTIB said: Scott scored twice last year- yet we all want teams to spend 20+ million on him I think a few are missing the point you were trying to make, mate. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted June 20, 2023 Report Share Posted June 20, 2023 (edited) Scott got 42(?) second assists, or whatever it’s called, goal scoring opportunities maybe.. the ball before the assist, I don’t know. Stats can be used to show any bias, ignore them.. Edited June 20, 2023 by Marcus Aurelius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betty Swallocks Posted June 20, 2023 Report Share Posted June 20, 2023 For midfielders I’d say chance creation is a more important stat than assists. With an assist, you’re totally reliant on someone else to create the stat for you. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 20, 2023 Report Share Posted June 20, 2023 (edited) According to Fotmob, Scott created 38 chances in the League last season. Many variables of course- age, experience, position, strength and expectations of the side the player is in. Edited June 20, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted June 20, 2023 Report Share Posted June 20, 2023 5 hours ago, Davefevs said: Lower than that is my guess / hope! What’s lower than A.King…..a Jason Knight! We could have gone for both of Knight and Beilik but " you get nothing for a pair - not in this game!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OliOTIB Posted June 20, 2023 Report Share Posted June 20, 2023 38 minutes ago, SBB said: I think a few are missing the point you were trying to make, mate. Let me Justify - The point i was trying to make is that someone questioned that we were signing knight on the basis of the fact hes only scored a few times this year - hence why I made the scott comparison as Scott is one of the best players in the EFL and has scored twice this year. Rant over. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KegCity Posted June 20, 2023 Report Share Posted June 20, 2023 7 minutes ago, REDOXO said: Well it does a bit. The quality of any player particularly in midfield is going to be judged on a number of levels and issues. Goals is an incorporating factor. Hence the criticism on here by a few numpties of a 19 year old phenomenon! Goals is so far down the list though it’s borderline irrelevant. Obviously it would be nice if any player that’s not a forward could score consistently but not scoring often doesn’t detract from a centre midfielder. Matty James has scored once since arriving. Nobody is mentioning this (quite rightly) because it’s not his job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 20, 2023 Report Share Posted June 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Simon bristol said: Yes, though i doubt we have the appetite to go into the 20k per week salary range,,, and neither should we! Agree, wage structure in place for a reason…and likely to be new FFP rules coming in that will look at wages too. 35 minutes ago, Marcus Aurelius said: Scott got 42(?) second assists, or whatever it’s called, goal scoring opportunities maybe.. the ball before the assist, I don’t know. Stats can be used to show any bias, ignore them.. Stats used with understanding and context are very useful. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted June 20, 2023 Report Share Posted June 20, 2023 18 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Stats used with understanding and context are very useful. Haha, yes, agreed. Ignore stats from bias silly sods that try to prove a point instead of debating for truth* 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon bristol Posted June 20, 2023 Report Share Posted June 20, 2023 33 minutes ago, OliOTIB said: Let me Justify - The point i was trying to make is that someone questioned that we were signing knight on the basis of the fact hes only scored a few times this year - hence why I made the scott comparison as Scott is one of the best players in the EFL and has scored twice this year. Rant over. Sorry pal, i caused you a load of ball ache! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rs Posted June 20, 2023 Report Share Posted June 20, 2023 (edited) Think Jason Knight currently, seems like a more defensive version of Andi. Not necessarily one of the best in the league at any one thing (semenyo -pace&power, scotty beating a man/chance creation) but very good all around. As the stats shown by @Davefevs suggest. Can understand why people at first might turn their noses up, might not be the flashiest or the most intriguing player to watch, but not every player can be. Seems very adept in the press, composed, passes well and good tackling. Imo all of what I want from a central midfielder. Seems that some forget he’s also only 21 as well, if we do end up spending 2m or around there on him, it’s clear that he’s favoured by Pearson because he has a plan for him. Might see him as a Korey smith type, hassles opponents and doesn’t give them space. Or a Josh Brownhill, deep chance creation etc. A Pearson transfer hasn’t let me down yet, except Wilson (injuries most likely ruined his city career), so I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt on this one. Edited June 20, 2023 by George Rs 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo123 Posted June 20, 2023 Report Share Posted June 20, 2023 20 minutes ago, Percy Pig said: kin hell… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted June 20, 2023 Report Share Posted June 20, 2023 170 games at the age of 22….became a full international as a teenager, think those things tell you all you need to know tbh. 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted June 20, 2023 Report Share Posted June 20, 2023 52 minutes ago, KegCity said: Goals is so far down the list though it’s borderline irrelevant. Obviously it would be nice if any player that’s not a forward could score consistently but not scoring often doesn’t detract from a centre midfielder. Matty James has scored once since arriving. Nobody is mentioning this (quite rightly) because it’s not his job. To be fair Pearson has mentioned it, in the context that between our midfield we don’t get enough goals. It’s the truth. Individuals will weigh in to a greater or lesser degree from midfield, however as a unit they have to get some. Scott at 19 gets something of a pass as so much pivots from him deep however Williams James Naysmith et al are all good players but all know they need to get more between them. It is the difference between to ten and top six. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Posted June 20, 2023 Report Share Posted June 20, 2023 10 minutes ago, petehinton said: 170 games at the age of 22….became a full international as a teenager, think those things tell you all you need to know tbh. Agree fully. And even in the last year of his contract 2million could be a good investment. Easy to say when it’s not my money I know but he will only get better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonRobin21 Posted June 20, 2023 Report Share Posted June 20, 2023 19 minutes ago, George Rs said: Think Jason Knight currently, seems like a more defensive version of Andi. Not necessarily one of the best in the league at any one thing (semenyo -pace&power, scotty beating a man/chance creation) but very good all around. As the stats shown by @Davefevs suggest. Can understand why people at first might turn their noses up, might not be the flashiest or the most intriguing player to watch, but not every player can be. Seems very adept in the press, composed, passes well and good tackling. Imo all of what I want from a central midfielder. Seems that some forget he’s also only 21 as well, if we do end up spending 2m or around there on him, it’s clear that he’s favoured by Pearson because he has a plan for him. Might see him as a Korey smith type, hassles opponents and doesn’t give them space. Or a Josh Brownhill, deep chance creation etc. A Pearson transfer hasn’t let me down yet, except Wilson (injuries most likely ruined his city career), so I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt on this one. Our midfield needs a runner. We currently lack an ‘intense’ press from the middle of the pitch. Conway is fantastic at pressing the defence, but often once that 1st line is broken (past Conway), then it’s relatively comfortable for the opposition when in possession. Weimann and Knight would allow us to maintain that intensity, and not give the opposition a moments rest. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamite Red Posted June 20, 2023 Report Share Posted June 20, 2023 Exactly the type of player we should be signing. Young, good value who has a great deal of potential to step up and make us successful or a lot of money. Keep filling the squad with potential stars. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted June 20, 2023 Report Share Posted June 20, 2023 Just seen the thread is hot. Haven’t kept up with it… are we signing him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted June 20, 2023 Report Share Posted June 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: Just seen the thread is hot. Haven’t kept up with it… are we signing him? Nah. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cityboy1954 Posted June 20, 2023 Report Share Posted June 20, 2023 On 14/06/2023 at 21:58, glynriley said: Bakers wages as well I presume…? Wilson messengos aswell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Hucker Posted June 20, 2023 Report Share Posted June 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Percy Pig said: maybe, they know a bit more about football, footballers and tactics than even the best posters on here. A’hem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 20, 2023 Report Share Posted June 20, 2023 18 minutes ago, Rudolf Hucker said: A’hem. Rudolf knows about scoring and getting it into the box!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS3City Posted June 20, 2023 Report Share Posted June 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Rudolf knows about scoring and getting it into the box!! Decent snooker player I heard too - Likes to sink a long pink and pot the brown... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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